There's this little mentioned card called Saturation Salvo that holds the title for worst upgrade in the game, and no 0 point upgrade is gonna dethrone it anytime soon...

Just now, Not_A_Shoe said:

There's this little mentioned card called Saturation Salvo that holds the title for worst upgrade in the game, and no 0 point upgrade is gonna dethrone it anytime soon...

I sold off or traded away all but one of them from my gunboats.

Just now, impspy said:

I sold off or traded away all but one of them from my gunboats.

Pfft, we've had people just dump them in the trash here so they wouldn't have to reorganize their card binders...

3 hours ago, Sekac said:

I think the issue the OP has is the U-wing is really bad. Giving it a free really bad upgrade makes it still really bad, but now with more text to read.

I'd rather they tried to make the U-wing better. If there are other upgrades that do make it better, perhaps hype those.

"You know that ship you all have that's terrible? Well guess what. Now it still is."

Sweet, I know I'm pumped.

exactly

1 hour ago, HolySorcerer said:

No. Expose is the worst upgrade in the game.

Not when you play Epic with Youngster and a TIE swarm it isn't.

4 hours ago, Sekac said:

I think the issue the OP has is the U-wing is really bad. Giving it a free really bad upgrade makes it still really bad, but now with more text to read.

I'd rather they tried to make the U-wing better. If there are other upgrades that do make it better, perhaps hype those.

"You know that ship you all have that's terrible? Well guess what. Now it still is."

Sweet, I know I'm pumped.

You mean... FFG has announced a new expansion, barely revealed any of the contents and some of us are already writing it off. Weird!

1 hour ago, Slugrage said:

Not when you play Epic with Youngster and a TIE swarm it isn't.

Yes it is. Rage will do more damage, not reduce your defenses, and is cheaper.

Expose is never the right choice.

2 hours ago, Slugrage said:

You mean... FFG has announced a new expansion, barely revealed any of the contents and some of us are already writing it off. Weird!

Dude. Read. The. Thread.

This thread is about one specific upgrade. Nobody is writing it off. Who are you debating on here? Can you reference any specific post that makes you think this is about writing off the entire expansion or speaking for the entire community?

It's for support ships to stay alive a tiny bit better while still doing whatever support shenanigan. Like a U wing or a shuttle. If it stops even 1 point of damage, it was just as effective as taking a shield upgrade. That's worth 0 points.

Of course I'm never going to use it, since saw guerrera + fcs + adv proton torps is too hilarious not to try. The jank calls to me.

Hmmm because I love outside the box list crafting:

•4-LOM (32) - G-1A Starfighter

Adaptability (0)

•Target Scrambler (0)

•Cikatro Vizago (0)

•Cloaking Device (2)

•Experimental Interface (3)

Cloak, switch out the cloak for a black market slicing tool, use the experimental interface for stress.

Ok, maybe not the most practical ship, but could be annoying.

5 hours ago, HolySorcerer said:

Yes it is. Rage will do more damage, not reduce your defenses, and is cheaper.

Expose is never the right choice.

Double decis casually disagree.

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

Double decis casually disagree.

It's okay, they can be wrong.

1 minute ago, HolySorcerer said:

It's okay, they can be wrong.

This thread in a nutshell.

2 hours ago, Jadotch said:

Hmmm because I love outside the box list crafting:

•4-LOM (32) - G-1A Starfighter

Adaptability (0)

•Target Scrambler (0)

•Cikatro Vizago (0)

•Cloaking Device (2)

•Experimental Interface (3)

Cloak, switch out the cloak for a black market slicing tool, use the experimental interface for stress.

Ok, maybe not the most practical ship, but could be annoying.

Why do you want stress? BMST is an action. Your OPPONENT must be stressed. Otherwise this could be a frustrating build.

Forget 4-LOM and just go for a Ruthless Freelancer. 25pt support ship that moves early and hopefully hands out damage cards to anyone stressed. Makes using PTL a bit of a risk.

3 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

This thread in a nutshell.

Average damage of a 4-die attack is 2.0, average damage of a 3-die attack with focus or lock is 2.25. They're better off saving the four points each and taking a different action. RAC is the only one who could make the argument for Expose, but even if the math worked out, the opportunity cost is too high.

Expose is garbage.

3 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said:

Average damage of a 4-die attack is 2.0, average damage of a 3-die attack with focus or lock is 2.25. They're better off saving the four points each and taking a different action. RAC is the only one who could make the argument for Expose, but even if the math worked out, the opportunity cost is too high.

Expose is garbage.

That’s why you put it on Oiccun. You ram them, great! You miss, their in range 1, 5 dice attack.

Expose is good in a niche list, while not very meta competitive, is fun to pull off and your opinion does not pass as a fact.

What about this upgrade on say a Bomblet Deathrain?

35 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Why do you want stress? BMST is an action. Your OPPONENT must be stressed. Otherwise this could be a frustrating build.

Forget 4-LOM and just go for a Ruthless Freelancer. 25pt support ship that moves early and hopefully hands out damage cards to anyone stressed. Makes using PTL a bit of a risk.

Because 4-Loms pilot ability is to give his stress token to another ship.

1 minute ago, Jadotch said:

Because 4-Loms pilot ability is to give his stress token to another ship.

Yeah, I get it. I still think it makes it too dependent on being within range of something to offload the stress and still being able to catch them again next round to use BMST.

I do like the kernel of your build. I’d just much rather a cheaper build that’s free to move as needed to catch already stressed opponents.

14 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

I dont get it, did I miss something?

who would trade a 3 dice attack to prevent 1 opponents ship from modding 1 attack? and whats worse is it only works at range 1. it also only benefits ships with upgrade scrambler equiped. and you choose the scrambled ship during planning phase. so you are guessing which ship will attack you at range 1 and instead of trying to prevent this, you give up your attack and let it happen? why?

so in summary...

you build a squad with this upgrade.

you decide not to attack

you also plan on letting someone attack you at range 1 and make no efforts to reposition or alter this outcome

you are attacked at range 1

you yell "gotchya sucker!" then explode.

i mean unless this is designed to protect bomb dropping ships from arc-dodgers (which is horrifyingly off-base) what is it good for?

Can you protect the PalpMobile with that?

7 hours ago, Not_A_Shoe said:

Pfft, we've had people just dump them in the trash here so they wouldn't have to reorganize their card binders...

They’ll all despair when saturation salvo finally becomes meta king.

11 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

OK, missed the bit the the R1 ship is the ship with the upgrade itself.

A. So much for the idea of a support ship.

B. I hate fussy upgrades like this. Couldn't the **** thing just say "Choose a ship at R1-3. It may not modify dice when attacking you this round if attacking at R1. Receive a Weapon Disabled token."

Sure, you can have that upgrade for like 3-4 points.

things we learned from this preview:

1) Forum goers lack reading comprehension

2) forum goers lack imagination

3) forum goers always assume they will have a ship in arc every round

4) FFG does listen to us AFTER they release ships, resulting in Aces packs like this to fix poorly designed or received ships

5) GUNBOAT (thank you FFG)

I'll definitely bring it on a bare bones Ghost if I can't afford anything else

3 minutes ago, GILLIES291 said:

I'll definitely bring it on a bare bones Ghost if I can't afford anything else

Ouch, whiffing against a 0 agi ship has gotta hurt.

1 hour ago, FlyingAnchors said:

That’s why you put it on Oiccun. You ram them, great! You miss, their in range 1, 5 dice attack.

Expose is good in a niche list, while not very meta competitive, is fun to pull off and your opinion does not pass as a fact.

Expected number of rolled hits/crits

• 5-dice (Expose) = 2.5
• 4-dice with focus = 3.0
• 4-dice with target lock = 3.0
• 4-dice with focus (Predator) = 3.5

Expose does have the higher hit potential if you roll really well, but it's average damage is poor compared to even basic tokens. Even in it's dream scenario, a range one Expose on an enemy you have locked, it just ties with focus locked on average damage. Sorry man, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Expose is the worst card in the game, and it really doesn't have any viable uses.