targeting scramblers worst upgrade in game?

By Vontoothskie, in X-Wing

I dont get it, did I miss something?

who would trade a 3 dice attack to prevent 1 opponents ship from modding 1 attack? and whats worse is it only works at range 1. it also only benefits ships with upgrade scrambler equiped. and you choose the scrambled ship during planning phase. so you are guessing which ship will attack you at range 1 and instead of trying to prevent this, you give up your attack and let it happen? why?

so in summary...

you build a squad with this upgrade.

you decide not to attack

you also plan on letting someone attack you at range 1 and make no efforts to reposition or alter this outcome

you are attacked at range 1

you yell "gotchya sucker!" then explode.

i mean unless this is designed to protect bomb dropping ships from arc-dodgers (which is horrifyingly off-base) what is it good for?

You are not alone I do not get it too.
I actually have a deja vu. When they published the first preview for the Gunboat they where all like "Look at this super cool EPT called 'Saturation Fire'" and write basically a whole article how great this pice of **** would bee and I just asked myself "Why would you want THAT?"

Edited by Hannes Solo

It's free and better than Collision Detector if you want a ship to be survivable.

It's a 0 point upgrade. What the **** do you want, it to be Push the Limit or something? It's competing with Collision Detector for the price and slot FFS.

Slap it on it when you've got no points left and the slot to spare and it could potentially save you from taking some serious damage in a round where you're caught with your pants down. After all, as we know from recent discussion about Fenn Rau, losing offensive modifiers can be really annoying.

I'd argue that it isn't better than Collision Detector, because at least CD will likely do something for you during a game and lets you fly safely through debris if need be. The Scrambler, on the other hand, requires you to telegraph its use before dials go down, give up a shot, only works at Range 1, and might well do nothing for you even if all other conditions are met. It's not worth the opportunity cost of the System slot, let alone any actual points - unless there's something we're missing from the box, like perhaps a U-Wing pilot that treats all your ships as being equipped with it if you take it.

Edited by MalusCalibur

It's free, and designed to go on a blocker. Like the U Wing.

Or on a ship that rarely gets arc. Like the Lambda.

3 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

It's a 0 point upgrade. What the **** do you want, it to be Push the Limit or something?

They probably want it to be Genius, the most 3-point-worthy 0 point upgrade in the game, now that the Scurrg exsts.

I think it's for:

Lambda Shuttle

U-Wings in Attack configuration

Upsilon-class shuttles

ie. Slow ships with out k-turn access that are vulnerable to Arc-dodging aces.

I get that its free, but if you can correctly guess where your opponent will go and what your opponent will attack, why not get out of the way?sometimes thats not an option, but its a weird thing to give up one of your best slots for.

Really just seems like they gave the star treatment to a card which requires you jump through A LOT of hoops for a very slight benefit

8 minutes ago, MalusCalibur said:

I'd argue that it isn't better than Collision Detector, because at least CD will likely do something for you during a game and lets you fly safely through debris if need be. The Scrambler, on the other hand, requires you to telegraph its use before dials go down, give up a shot, only works at Range 1, and might well do nothing for you even if all other conditions are met. It's not worth the opportunity cost of the System slot, let alone any actual points - unless there's something we're missing from the box, like perhaps a U-Wing pilot that treats all your ships as being equipped with it if you take it.

exactly.

if theres another card that works with it it might be amazing, but in a vacuum not so much

4 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

I get that its free, but if you can correctly guess where your opponent will go and what your opponent will attack, why not get out of the way?sometimes thats not an option, but its a weird thing to give up one of your best slots for.

Really just seems like they gave the star treatment to a card which requires you jump through A LOT of hoops for a very slight benefit

IT COSTS 0 POINTS.

It SHOULD be awkward and highly situational to use, or have a MAJOR downside (or be a fix).

And yeah, Lambdas and U Wings (and Upsilons) frequently know for sure that they won't have arc and will have people shooting at them from close range.

Cough R3 Astromech cough.

At least this scrambler is free. Similar hoops to jump through, similar good slot wasted. R3 costs points although I can't be bothered to look up how many since my cards have never been used so I can't remember the cost.

30 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

IT COSTS 0 POINTS.

It SHOULD be awkward and highly situational to use, or have a MAJOR downside (or be a fix).

And yeah, Lambdas and U Wings (and Upsilons) frequently know for sure that they won't have arc and will have people shooting at them from close range.

This guy get's it;

32 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

IT COSTS 0 POINTS.

It SHOULD be awkward and highly situational to use, or have a MAJOR downside (or be a fix).

And yeah, Lambdas and U Wings (and Upsilons) frequently know for sure that they won't have arc and will have people shooting at them from close range.

This.

It's finicky and won't trigger reliably, but if you have a spare systems slot, then why not take the dratted thing. Being able to respond to Fenn Rau by spontaneously turning into Omega Leader for a turn could well win you the game.

A palpatine shuttle (for example) usually turns up with 0 points spent in the systems slot. This is a better use of 0 points than a collision detector unless you plan to deliberately fly over debris.

Staple this card to your palp shuttle.

Not should I say Yorr. OGP might be replaced by the reaper.

Edited by tortugatron

It's not a unique card, right?

it is for your casual 4-B-Wing-List ;) because one activates the card on an enemy ship, and all B-Wing profits of it:

4x Blue Squadron Pilot (22)
Targeting Scrambler (0)
Linked Battery (2)

it's a defensive upgrade to large bases that cant k turn.

You play the condition and your opponent has to second guess himself if he's behind you if he want's mods.......

1 minute ago, Dragon_King said:

It's not a unique card, right?

it is for your casual 4-B-Wing-List ;) because one activates the card on an enemy ship, and all B-Wing profits of it:

4x Blue Squadron Pilot (22)
Targeting Scrambler (0)
Linked Battery (2)

yes it is unique. For some reason they went with the dot instead of text (unless that's a typo), just to confuse people.

Edited by Ralgon
1 minute ago, Dragon_King said:

It's not a unique card, right?

it is for your casual 4-B-Wing-List ;) because one activates the card on an enemy ship, and all B-Wing profits of it:

4x Blue Squadron Pilot (22)
Targeting Scrambler (0)
Linked Battery (2)

I’m not sure you’re clear on how the card actually works...

yeah i just reread it :( my bad

"Save the dream"... dead

Edited by Dragon_King

Personally I still don't think it's a better choice than Collision Detector even for a Palpatine shuttle (and lets be honest, the Reaper is likely to replace the Lambda as the most common ride for the Emperor), but I'm often wrong about these things.

7 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

I’m not sure you’re clear on how the card actually works...

Except for the unique thing, pretty much how he's thinking. The condition only specifies "a ship with the upgrade", not just the ship that has the wep disabled. 1 bwing applies the condition, the rest would have benefited vs that ship.....not that bwings like being that close, but still.

He's not the 1st one to come to that conclusion, only to be disappointed by the dot.

Edited by Ralgon

Ninja'd, it's unique...........

Yah, Palp Shuttle only.

Or MAYBE a UWing that got arc dodged and needs to live. Maybe with a support crew attached to it.

Edited by phild0
10 minutes ago, MalusCalibur said:

Personally I still don't think it's a better choice than Collision Detector even for a Palpatine shuttle (and lets be honest, the Reaper is likely to replace the Lambda as the most common ride for the Emperor), but I'm often wrong about these things.

I mean Lightweight Frame and an Evade action alone should make it just as durable as the Lambda and it has the Jam action for roughly the same cost. I feel like the Reaper buries the Lamda pretty hard.

Scenario:

At the beginning of the planning face , Acey McAceFace has a shuttle in sight and he's going in for the kill, but wait before he can even put down his dial he get's a scrambled condition. Now he has a choice go for the shuttle and risk whiffing or choose another target where he can modify dice....

Edited by Vordyn
grammar ya'll
3 minutes ago, phild0 said:

Put it on 4 B Wings in a 4BZ list.

Unique.

maybe they release it also with a crew that plays with the weapon dis. token, like "as long as you have a wep.dis. tok. your agility is increased by 1"