Still need a Corvette for Epic.

Just now, kris40k said:

Still need a Corvette for Epic.

Yeah, agreed. Game balance wise.

So what could that one be? Would it be ok if they just had cards for a scum CR-90, or would we need a new corvette release?

How I personally would do this is give each faction another transport-size epic, and include CR-90 cards in the Scum one. That scum one could be DJ's ship from TLJ, the rebel one could be the Resistance Transport (not the ugly glued-together B-Wing bits), and the Imperial one some sort of First Order thing, so all three factions had a ship with a tech and a cargo slot. And then they could release a card that requires both slots and does a really cool powerful thing.

20 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Yeah, agreed. Game balance wise.

So what could that one be? Would it be ok if they just had cards for a scum CR-90, or would we need a new corvette release?

How I personally would do this is give each faction another transport-size epic, and include CR-90 cards in the Scum one. That scum one could be DJ's ship from TLJ, the rebel one could be the Resistance Transport (not the ugly glued-together B-Wing bits), and the Imperial one some sort of First Order thing, so all three factions had a ship with a tech and a cargo slot. And then they could release a card that requires both slots and does a really cool powerful thing.

Minstrel-class space yacht, more popularly known by the Star Jewel, the personal craft of Jabba the Hutt. The Minstrel-class also appeared in current canon used by Grakkus the Hutt.

160m, on the same size as the CR-90 and Raider Corvettes. Six turbo lasers, ion cannons, and can carry six starfighters in its hanger.

Also looks very pretty.

3 minutes ago, kris40k said:

Minstrel-class space yacht, more popularly known by the Star Jewel, the personal craft of Jabba the Hutt. The Minstrel-class was also appeared in current canon by Grakkus the Hutt.

160m, on the same size as the CR-90 and Raider Corvettes. Six turbo lasers, ion cannons, and can carry six starfighters in its hanger.

Also looks very pretty.

Oh yeah! The canon appearance and that picture there look so much better than the usual picture people post here. If it looked more like those pictures, I wouldn't be opposed.

Also, Grakkus is a total badass. I'd love to see his appearance in this game.

53 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

Hmm, sorry, this thread was probably not named well. I really like scum and I don't think the game can survive with just two factions. This game would be so boring without Scum here.

But I'm just wondering, is Scum in a good place now? Like, is Scum caught up? Is it time for FFG to add more factions to try to catch up with? I for one would like to see enough First Order and Resistance ships added that those two factions could be stand-alones. (Of course errata Hux and a few other things to say First Order only instead of Imperial only). Or see the Prequels factions. Or even the Vong. I feel like miniatures games really thrive when there's a lot of playable factions, because it's less stuff that someone has to collect to keep up, if they pick just one faction, but still tons of new stuff for people to get if they want. And usually, a more diverse metagame.

I dunno. Just a thought. Not a scum hater at all, and I'd definitely be all over a scum Falcon, or a Viraxo expansion, or a dual-faction Blastboat. Heck, I'd even buy at least two of whatever that unpronounceable Galaxies thing you folks are mentioning is. A few things actually aren't scum in my opinion (Mining Guild are Imperial contractors, Blastboats and the Ark Angel need Imperial pilots in addition to scum, still not convinced Han and Lando aren't Rebels until I see the movie), but game-balance is all I really want to talk about here. And game-balance wise, I feel like FFG is done getting Scum caught up, and I'm wondering if it's time to add something new?

Okay, I better understand the balance and catch up part.

As far as catch up, I'd say the only think that is really missing is a 2nd Epic ship for Scum.

From a balance perspective, I'd say probably. They are the under dog at the moment, but they don't seem to be in as dire a straights as Rebels or Imps were in previous metas. Time will tell if this needs to be corrected or will work itself out.

As for adding more factions, this does seem to be a reasonable time to do so. It's probably gonna be more complicated than last time, especially if we are bringing two at once, like if we did prequel ships.

1 hour ago, Kieransi said:

But I'm just wondering, is Scum in a good place now? Like, is Scum caught up? Is it time for FFG to add more factions to try to catch up with?

Ah, I see now.

I would definitely say yes. Of course they need a corvette for Epic, but I think in terms of smaller ships they have been OK for a while. Especially since they have had the advantage of having all their ships designed for "modern XWM" rather than Waves 1-4 that are all pretty outmoded for the current game.

My big dream would be to see the game add more Prequel ships to the current game, and eventually produces a "S&V" style box that finally introduces Republic and Confederacy factions as their own elements. I'm not sure FO and Resistance will ever get enough ships to make separate factions, but the Clone Wars are plenty full of options.

13 hours ago, JediPartisan said:

There’s this ship from the Solo movie trailer. In the trailer it’s the one escaping the explosion.

I wonder if they will give us that ship with dials and tokens for a Scum YT1300 (a la Most Wanted expansion)?

This is an Imperial speeder.

6 hours ago, Jetfire said:

Ships I would see in scum

Gauntlet Fighter - large base

Xanadu Blood - small base

Wild Karrde - Large base (rebel/scum)

Those. ^

EDIT: except the Wild Karrde would be huge (epic) size.

17 hours ago, spacelion said:

Scum should be allowed in Rebel and Imperial forces on the condition that the total sum of Scum points does not exceed the total sum of Rebel / Imperial points.

I can't think of anything that would be broken in the current meta,

Non-uniques only, and maybe I could get behind this idea.

5 hours ago, Jetfire said:

Ships I would see in scum:

• Gauntlet Fighter - large base
• Xanadu Blood - small base
• Bounty Hunter Assault Gunship - small base
• Slave 2 - large base
• Guri's Stinger - large base
• Wild Karrde - Large base (rebel/scum)

All of the bolded ships are probably 1 size larger that your figures. But with the trends set by the Silencer and Reaper, who knows.

5 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

This attitude kills me.

They are going to make a Scum Falcon because it fits the lore and the new movie. And if they didn't make a scum Falcon, they would make a different ship for you to buy. IT'S WHAT THEY DO.

And that ship I WOULD buy, because it would probably be a NEW ship instead op the third incarnation of an 'iconic' ship...

The designers must be like: "hmm... We have to make about 3 million dollars on merchendise this month, what could we do? OH I KNOW LETS CHANGE 4 DETAILS ON THAT ICONIC SHIP FROM THAT MOVIE SO WE HAVE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO BUY THE NEWEST VERSION!"

And I perfectly get that it fits with the story/LORE but the Story/LORE was made for moneymaking... If you only think for a bit that it was actually 'to make the fans happy' then you are from another planet...

Ps. Read this again without the intended rage before you reply

PPs. It is really just an opinion. A strong and unchangable opinion mind you.

3 minutes ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

And that ship I WOULD buy, because it would probably be a NEW ship instead op the third incarnation of an 'iconic' ship...

The designers must be like: "hmm... We have to make about 3 million dollars on merchendise this month, what could we do? OH I KNOW LETS CHANGE 4 DETAILS ON THAT ICONIC SHIP FROM THAT MOVIE SO WE HAVE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO BUY THE NEWEST VERSION!"

And I perfectly get that it fits with the story/LORE but the Story/LORE was made for moneymaking... If you only think for a bit that it was actually 'to make the fans happy' then you are from another planet...

Ps. Read this again without the intended rage before you reply

PPs. It is really just an opinion. A strong and unchangable opinion mind you.

The ship, despite being the same chassis*, will have new pilots, new upgrades, and will add more to the game.

Just like any of the aces pack repaints.

The only difference is that you don't think the ship needs an upgrade.

*You are also assuming that this:

is going to have the same game stats as this:

which might be entirely fallacious.

4 minutes ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

And that ship I WOULD buy, because it would probably be a NEW ship instead op the third incarnation of an 'iconic' ship...

The designers must be like: "hmm... We have to make about 3 million dollars on merchendise this month, what could we do? OH I KNOW LETS CHANGE 4 DETAILS ON THAT ICONIC SHIP FROM THAT MOVIE SO WE HAVE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO BUY THE NEWEST VERSION!"

And I perfectly get that it fits with the story/LORE but the Story/LORE was made for moneymaking... If you only think for a bit that it was actually 'to make the fans happy' then you are from another planet...

Ps. Read this again without the intended rage before you reply

PPs. It is really just an opinion. A strong and unchangable opinion mind you.

No one is here to force anyone to do anything.

I think perhaps you forget that Star Wars had staying power partially because of it's strong merchandising. George Lucas gave up some of his film profit options so he could own the merchandising licenses. The Scum Falcon will be produced not just because it makes money, but because the people that already play a game about ships will demand it. In this case, it's not about supply side economics, it's about demand side economics. It's more important to keep the fans that want it happy than it is to keep it unavailable from the fans that don't want it to exist.

3 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

The ship, despite being the same chassis*, will have new pilots, new upgrades, and will add more to the game.

Just like any of the aces pack repaints.

The only difference is that you don't think the ship needs an upgrade.

*You are also assuming that this:

is going to have the same game stats as this:

which might be entirely fallacious.

I do see your point, but it didnt change my mind

4 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

No one is here to force anyone to do anything.

I think perhaps you forget that Star Wars had staying power partially because of it's strong merchandising. George Lucas gave up some of his film profit options so he could own the merchandising licenses. The Scum Falcon will be produced not just because it makes money, but because the people that already play a game about ships will demand it. In this case, it's not about supply side economics, it's about demand side economics. It's more important to keep the fans that want it happy than it is to keep it unavailable from the fans that don't want it to exist.

I also see what you mean, but it didnt change my mind.

Now, I have no further interest in this coversation or topic, so thank you for your time, opinion and quotes... Cya around

26 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

Non-uniques only, and maybe I could get behind this idea.

All of the bolded ships are probably 1 size larger that your figures. But with the trends set by the Silencer and Reaper, who knows.

Yeah I mean, YV-666... Def should be a Cap ship too.

Still no mining guild tie. I feel this is a grave oversight. We must have the Tie-rinity.

4 hours ago, kris40k said:

I don't have my Rihkxyrk, the faction is not complete.

Along with that you have the Ixiyen. I wasn't fond of that one, but if you want to field a Black Sun list, those would be the way to go along with the Kihraxz and Starviper.

In addition, Mandal Motors still has the G1-M4-C Dunelizard and M22-T Krayt to fill out alongside the Syck and Kimogila for a Hutt Cartel list.

That's just small bases off the top of my head.

Not a fan of the Vigo gunboat (SWG Black Sun Large ship for the neutrals)?

29 minutes ago, grandmoffjoe said:

Still no mining guild tie.

1 minute ago, Odanan said:

That's harsh, @Odanan. For what it's worth, the MG TIE is probably what the classic TIE should have been. Those sightlines.... Plus, one could have mounted weapons on the end of the solar panels for the TIE/LN mk2.

3 hours ago, Odanan said:

This is an Imperial speeder.

Isn’t that kinda big for a speeder? Not saying it isn’t. You’re probably right, but it looks big. Also why haven’t they shown the other pirate’s ship? Or are they rewriting Solo’s past so that he gets the Falcon from someone else? Guess I’ll have to wait to see the movie, but now I’m worried. ?

2 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Isn’t that kinda big for a speeder? Not saying it isn’t. You’re probably right, but it looks big. Also why haven’t they shown the other pirate’s ship? Or are they rewriting Solo’s past so that he gets the Falcon from someone else? Guess I’ll have to wait to see the movie, but now I’m worried. ?

It is bigger than speeders we're use to, but it could be something more akin to a big rig than a personal use vehicle. We saw cargo walkers (AT-ACT) in Rogue One, so non-space born cargo haulers are needed.

I don't think we've seen the other pirate's ship because the advertising is looking to promote what they think people want to see, which is Falcon. We didn't see anything about DJ's ship in the advertising for TLJ, so I'm expecting we won't see much of new ships in the trailers, but there will be some in the actual movie.

While I also have some worries about the film, I feel pretty confident that they won't change who Han got the Falcon from and how he got it. Changing it would directly contradict lines from ESB, which I really doubt they would try to do, especially since Lawrence Kasdan who co-wrote ESB is also co-writing Solo. Besides, it's a good story. Heck, I kind of hope Solo ends with the fateful card game, with the Falcon wagered, but cutting off before the full reveal of the cards.

25 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Isn’t that kinda big for a speeder? Not saying it isn’t. You’re probably right, but it looks big. Also why haven’t they shown the other pirate’s ship? Or are they rewriting Solo’s past so that he gets the Falcon from someone else? Guess I’ll have to wait to see the movie, but now I’m worried. ?

The concept arts (and there is a lot of them) show the ship full of Stormtroopers.

It looks like some sort of "Skycrane". Atmospheric, for sure.

3 hours ago, grandmoffjoe said:

Still no mining guild tie. I feel this is a grave oversight. We must have the Tie-rinity.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mining_Guild

The Mining Guild are Imperial contractors. They show up in a Rebels episode where it's instantly assumed by the rebels that they're the "bad guys", which wouldn't have happened if they were actually scum like Lando, Azmorigan, and Hondo.

They're who Lando is avoiding on Cloud City.

Sorry, but if Mining Guild TIE is released, scum's not the faction who's going to get it.

3 hours ago, grandmoffjoe said:

Still no mining guild tie. I feel this is a grave oversight. We must have the Tie-rinity.

I agree. I'm STILL waiting for the Mining Guild TIE.

The funny thing is that technically, there's some rebels that should be scum after all, almost themselves at the Solo:movie timeline.

Yep Han Solo scum is the most rated one, but I should agree even with a Lando Carlissian scum side. In fact, I would love if FFG will bring more "smugglers fluff" over than the (almost done) "bounty hunters theme".

Less fire power, more tricks. Being a cold-blood killer like Dengar is fine, but I would like to feel myself more as a trickster smugler like Solo some times

19 hours ago, Kieransi said:

But I'm just wondering, is Scum in a good place now? Like, is Scum caught up?

These are really two different questions.

1: Scum isn't really in a good place right now. THeir only properly top tier ship is Assaj and she lacks a really stellar wingmate(s) to fly with, due to the preponderance of PS10+ alpha abilities making Fenn Rau terrible. BUt Scum have had most of the last two years in tip top tier positions, them fading back for a while isn't surprising, especially when the latest movie had no real Scum fodder in it.

2: Scum have slightly fewer ships than the other factions, but I don't really see that mattering personally. Parity is more of a whole-faction balance thing, than a slavish 'must have precisely equal ship counts' thing.