25 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

By the way: it's probably a title card, right? But "Title" has to be on the same line, so I'm not sure that it's both X and U Wing

A (sensible) suggestion is that it might be "torpedo". Both have a torp slot they're generally happy to give up.

1 hour ago, Sasajak said:

I hope they do go over the top. The X-Wing should be top tier and I say that as an Imperial player only. If nothing else it’ll stop the 40k players mocking us... “are there even X-Wings in X-Wing” etc. Hopefully FFG is now working on boosting use of all the classic ships, particularly the TIE Fighter. To be honest I thought they might have included a TIE Fighter with the Reaper for this purpose. But I suppose with have the Solo wave to look forward to.

Don't get me wrong; I would also like to see the X-wing be awesome. I have only two reservations:

• I don't want to see the T-65 X-wing fixed by turning it into a T-70 because if the two ships are too similar and sit in the same faction, one of them will be objectively 'better'.
• I'm should note that above I'm talking specifically from the perspective of a 5-ship 'heavy swarm'.
  • By all means have a 3-ship or 4-ship X-wing squad be awesome and loaded with all the l33t skillz because the T-65 has to compete with the much more powerful basic chassis and larger upgrade bar of Scurrgs, M-12Ls, T-70s and TIE/sf. As a basic chassis with no repositioning and potentially killable with a single lucky cruise missile, it needs it's damage mitigating and repositioning upgrades to survive because like it or not, 5 hit points makes you essentially a bit of a 'fragile arc dodger' in today's game.
  • 5 ships is a different issue. I don't mind what was done with the Vaksai upgrade for Talonbane Cobra (for example) but in a heavy swarm, Cartel Marauders bring a lot of very powerful toys free, and they were already the most effective heavy swarm to begin with.
  • It will largely depend on whether either of the new 'fix' cards have a negative point cost, and how negative it is.
    • With the Cavern Angel Zealot being PS1, unless they've gone with the weird idea of PS1 with an elite upgrade, it's almost inevitably going to be 20 points tops, meaning 5 T-65s is a potential to begin with.
    • -1 point and a 20-point Zealot means that and flight assist and integrated astromech, which is a huge whack of capability but potentially doable
    • The Servomotor S-foils - depends on their exact ability. Adding boost to the action bar situationally is fine because it requires an action to use.

6 hours ago, xanderf said:

Yeah, that's definitely true - there are only enough tiles in the picture for 6 X-Wing pilots, yet we see 8 cards - while there are enough tiles for 4 U-Wing pilots, and only 2 cards shown. So 'pretty sure' the top two X-Wing pilots are more U-Wing pilots.

Still, a new pilot isn't exactly a "fix", to the OP's point. I do kinda think the new system slot makes sense, and it seems that Saw might work really well with certain types of ordnance (few Rebel crew carriers can also shoot torpedoes, but the U-Wing can - and, I mean, Saw + Advanced Proton Torpedoes ? That's basically always going to be 3-4 crits and a hit or two...).

A cheap U-wing with Adv Proton Torpedoes, Saw, Zeb and Scrambler.
Scramble your victim, move so that they bump your big base, lock them. They bump you, lose their actions.
They attack you but they are scrambled so no dice mods of any kind. You attack them with 5 dice that generate 5 crits or hits. They have no tokens to defend with.

Great. Another vcx buff.

My call is:

• The Renegade Refit is an Xwing title only.

• The unrevealed Th[rust?] Cor[rector?] - of which there are 2 - is closer to a proper U fix.

• There will be a U pilot with the ability to ignore weapons disabled tokens (i.e. from the Scrambler) at some cost.

1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:

A (sensible) suggestion is that it might be "torpedo". Both have a torp slot they're generally happy to give up.

Good point

that would still leave the title slot open for moar

3 hours ago, Azrapse said:

A cheap U-wing with Adv Proton Torpedoes, Saw, Zeb and Scrambler.
Scramble your victim, move so that they bump your big base, lock them. They bump you, lose their actions.
They attack you but they are scrambled so no dice mods of any kind. You attack them with 5 dice that generate 5 crits or hits. They have no tokens to defend with.

You can't attack if you used scrambler.

I'm just hoping they might errata Pivot Wing to flip before you reveal your dial, rather than after you execute your manoeuvre. That would help it SO much.

Not sure on the errata to be honest. The title has written has the potential to be abused, as it is possible to do 2 maneuvers in a single turn. Look up Daredevil Cassian if you don't believe me. If we get a card that allows a pre-maneuver boost treated as a maneuver, then the current as written title gets interesting.

Renegade Refit is probably a torp slot upgrade, like Charidan is a missile

granted, the U-wing can be the pack filler like the B-wing in rebels or the Bomber in Veterans or the TIE interceptor in imperial aces (I don't find that expac useful at all), but honestly it needs help even more than the X

only a fix card and killer pilot abilities will elevated the U above the strictly superior Auzzie

there are only TWO u-wings apparently, so they better be ******* incredible

im 99% sure the spread is messed up.

Theres 3 things that make no sense about it:
1) Nothing uwing specific for a fix...huh? It better not just be the new pilots, that'll piss way too many people off.
2) Why are there 5 PS1 xwings? They have never, ever given us enough stuff in a non-epic box for a full list of something with the new stuff
3) Theres 4 s-foils, which is even weirder than the 5 PS1 xwings. Again, they never give us that many except in epic boxes.

I'm willing to bet atleast 2 of those PS1 xwings werent suppose to be in the spread and probably 1-2 of the sfoils werent suppose to be there either. Not just flatout removed, but wrong card.

The uwing has a LOT of work to do to beat out the wookiez. Seriously, wookie ship is better in literally every aspect other than it has no torps/sensor....uh...big freakin deal?

Renegade Retrofit is going to be for T-65 X-Wing and U-Wing. If you look at the card you can see additional text after the T-65 X-Wing. It's thematic and the important thing is that if it were X-Wing only than why would they bother with the S-Foils as well?

Also note:

What ever the blue Torpedo (Th** Cor***) thing is, it does not use a target lock. There is no ATTACK: in the title.

I assume it is not a Torpedo, or it is one that doesn’t use a target lock.

27 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

Renegade Retrofit is going to be for T-65 X-Wing and U-Wing. If you look at the card you can see additional text after the T-65 X-Wing. It's thematic and the important thing is that if it were X-Wing only than why would they bother with the S-Foils as well?

You are correct, if you look at the last Renegade Retrofit (the one that shows the most text) the next letter is definitely not a “T” and there is no period.

37 minutes ago, Jadotch said:

Also note:

What ever the blue Torpedo (Th** Cor***) thing is, it does not use a target lock. There is no ATTACK: in the title.

I assume it is not a Torpedo, or it is one that doesn’t use a target lock.

Th*** Cor*** doesn't have any sort of header. So not only is it not a secondary weapon, it's also not a title, modification, or limited in any way (such as 'rebel only').

The first word in the text is "when" - I can't make out for definite if the next is 'attacking' or 'defending', but it looks like 'defending'.

the second line begins '3 or fewer'.

third line 'may [illegible]'

fourth line 'cancel all d[ice results?'

Under the circumstances, possibly "threat"? - the 'stain' in the top bar of the title is exactly level with the left hand end of the 'T', which matches Threat Tracker:

More importantly, that first letter after " T-65 X-Wing " is not an "o", so the card can't just be limited to " T-65 X-Wing only. ", but has to include another ship type or something. And it's unlikely it would be anything other than the U-Wing!

Edit, Ninja'ed, this is about Renegade Refit.

14 hours ago, Kieransi said:

Yup, just came in here to say this. Renegade Refit might very well be a torpedo slot that costs negative points and says T-65 X-Wing and U-Wing only . There's definitely more italicized text on that card than just X-Wing only , and if this card is a "Refit" in the same manner as Chaardan Refit, it'll fill a torp slot.

Otherwise, if that's a Modification or Title, yeah, no U-Wing fix and I'm sad.

I am almost certain that the Refit is for both the X-Wing and U-Wing. Its likely not a title, because that would preclude the Pivot Wing title. Its likely not a mod, because that would preclude the Integrated Astromech fix mod. Now, both of those conditions go out the window if they say, "you may equip another title/mod" like they did with StarViper MkII or Snuggling Compartment, so, it could be those. I would consider more likely the Renegade Refit is a Torp slot like Chardaan Refit.

We also need to see the new U-Wing pilots, they could be awesome.

28 minutes ago, kris40k said:

I am almost certain that the Refit is for both the X-Wing and U-Wing. Its likely not a title, because that would preclude the Pivot Wing title. Its likely not a mod, because that would preclude the Integrated Astromech fix mod. Now, both of those conditions go out the window if they say, "you may equip another title/mod" like they did with StarViper MkII or Snuggling Compartment, so, it could be those. I would consider more likely the Renegade Refit is a Torp slot like Chardaan Refit.

We also need to see the new U-Wing pilots, they could be awesome.

Yeah, see my above post, there's no way it's either mod or title because the word after "T-65 X-Wing" is not "only", so there's another ship included in that (it would be insane if it weren't U-Wing, but just being safe here). And since that's the case, there's no room on that first line for "modification" and "title", and no second line of italicized text.

Note that the existence of the S-Foils mod doesn't actually preclude this thing being a mod though, because the first sentence of Refit lets you equip at least one additional mod. But yeah, it being a title would be dumb if it did actually work on a U-Wing, but as noted before, there's not room for the word "U-Wing" and the word "title".

I gotta tell you the suspense is killing me on this thing.

imo, it doesnt look like theres enough remaining text to be "T-65 Xwing and Uwing Only" in one line.

There clearly isnt a 2nd line of text. It also isnt limited, which would allow the uwing to take it twice.

ffg, you better pull something out of your *** to make the uwing work. Going to piss a LOT of people off if they are forced to buy this and the uwing is DOA again...even the kfighter is somewhat useful after the guns4hire.

16 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

It also isnt limited, which would allow the uwing to take it twice.

Not if it's a torp slot, they only get one.

nvm for some reason i thought uwings had 2 torps lol

14 hours ago, Sasajak said:

I hope they do go over the top. The X-Wing should be top tier and I say that as an Imperial player only. If nothing else it’ll stop the 40k players mocking us... “are there even X-Wings in X-Wing” etc. Hopefully FFG is now working on boosting use of all the classic ships, particularly the TIE Fighter. To be honest I thought they might have included a TIE Fighter with the Reaper for this purpose. But I suppose with have the Solo wave to look forward to.

Well, we used to be able to mock 40K players for spending 40k on an army...

...but that joke is no longer exclusive to them.