So...U-Wing and Tie Reaper in wave 2?

By feydruatha, in Star Wars: Legion

Going to add one more to the "the are far too large without being down scaled to silliness" crowd i'm afraid. They would take up a huge chunk of board real estate, it'd just be bizarre.

As to the Lambda Shuttle entering the conversation....have you ever actually looked at the size of that thing? Here's a picture of one next to an AT-AT, at the same scale. It's the same length as an AT-AT, now look at the actual full size (the white, middle shuttle is the correct scale one):

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That might seem silly, but it carries 40 passengers in the main body...the same as an AT-AT.

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6 minutes ago, Extropia said:

Going to add one more to the "the are far too large without being down scaled to silliness" crowd i'm afraid. They would take up a huge chunk of board real estate, it'd just be bizarre.

Bizarre and not really fulfilling any role that could not be filled by some sort of repulsor transport.

3 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

Bizarre and not really fulfilling any role that could not be filled by some sort of repulsor transport.

That too.

I could see them doing it, just not to scale. Like epic X-Wing. That said, I would expect it to come further down the line. There are plenty of core units and commanders to get into the game, as well as the possibility of other factions being introduced. And a big box like a U-Wing would probably be a bigger risk for them; they’ll want to see how well the game sells before they commit to something like that.

14 hours ago, Extropia said:

Going to add one more to the "the are far too large without being down scaled to silliness" crowd i'm afraid. They would take up a huge chunk of board real estate, it'd just be bizarre.

As to the Lambda Shuttle entering the conversation....have you ever actually looked at the size of that thing? Here's a picture of one next to an AT-AT, at the same scale. It's the same length as an AT-AT, now look at the actual full size (the white, middle shuttle is the correct scale one):

T-4a Lambda-Class Imperial Shuttle

That might seem silly, but it carries 40 passengers in the main body...the same as an AT-AT.

Weird it looks perfectly fine if you use actual comparisons with stormtroopers:

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More so when a comparison of the Kenner toys comes into play: latest?cb=20140607024337

doesnt seem like it’d be that unwieldy at all when scaled even further down to match how small the legion figures are.

and, just to be clear, the U-wing is plainly small enough:

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All present a transport well scaled for Legion units. An archetype not yet present in the game.

Why do we need a transport?

My U-Wing..... proportions are slightly off, but the length is just about right. It's a nice terrain piece but it wouldn't be that manoeuvrable on a 6'x3' table.

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2 minutes ago, mini78 said:

My U-Wing..... proportions are slightly off, but the length is just about right. It's a nice terrain piece but it wouldn't be that manoeuvrable on a 6'x3' table.

That looks awesome! Agreed that something like the U-Wing cant maneuver on a 6'x3' table.

The Lambda and U-Wing are 20m and 25m respectively. Thats 4 and 5 times the length of the Airspeeder. If you've watched any gameplay of the Airspeeder or ATST maneuvering around the board on those 100mm bases... its pretty clear troop transports those sizes would be better represented with a card that allows deployment during battle, not with actual models.

So far, the game units have been made in scale with one another. Why start a sliding scale for no reason? The U-wing, Imp Shuttle, X-Wings, etc, all make amazing terrain. Like, really amazing terrain. They are too big and too fast to maneuver on a 6x3 board. A U-Wing, capable of lightspeed having the same movement as a speeder bike is ridiculous. Even if movement was scaled down, a starfighter would move at speed 6, putting it off the board in 1-2 activations. There are plenty of ground transports in the SW universe. Why bring lightspeed starfighters into a ground game. In reality, in scale, they would be moving speed 20 and clear the board from end to end in a fraction of a second.

Terrain? Yes. Ground transports? Yes. Starfighter transports? No.

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39 minutes ago, mini78 said:

My U-Wing..... proportions are slightly off, but the length is just about right. It's a nice terrain piece but it wouldn't be that manoeuvrable on a 6'x3' table.

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I doubt they would maneuver, instead they’d just be able to move from any one location to any other (as long as there is sufficient space to land) Tantamount to teleportation really.

1 hour ago, Derrault said:

I doubt they would maneuver, instead they’d just be able to move from any one location to any other (as long as there is sufficient space to land) Tantamount to teleportation really.

I am not too sure I want to play a game where units teleport around the board.

While the movies have spaceships providing air support I am not too sure the game will be able to and do it well.

1 hour ago, Derrault said:

I doubt they would maneuver, instead they’d just be able to move from any one location to any other (as long as there is sufficient space to land) Tantamount to teleportation really.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. A million times no. Terrible idea. Do you want Darth Vader up in your face? Because that is how you get Darth Vader up in your face.

6 minutes ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. A million times no. Terrible idea. Do you want Darth Vader up in your face? Because that is how you get Darth Vader up in your face.

Good thing FFG doesn't let fan content into the official games.

2 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

Good thing FFG doesn't let fan content into the official games.

Unless you win Worlds... but even then FFG works with the player to design a single card so...

Between the size of the board and the length of the movement sticks, transports may not be as necessary as in some other games.

7 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Unless you win Worlds... but even then FFG works with the player to design a single card so...

Between the size of the board and the length of the movement sticks, transports may not be as necessary as in some other games.

And if they do add transports, we have the itt.

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And the somewhat less impressive rebel troop transport.

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@devin.pike.1989 What's wrong with the Rebel people mover? :P

Don't get me wrong. It would be hilarious to have a bunch of them scooting across the battlefield...

1 hour ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

And if they do add transports, we have the itt.

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And the somewhat less impressive rebel troop transport.

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The first looks like a Winnebago, and the second is a golf cart, not a troop attack transport. The U-wing and Shuttle fulfill the same function as helicopters did in Vietnam, rapid transportation with gunners, they aren’t silly go carts for ferrying pilots to their x-wings.

8 minutes ago, Derrault said:

The first looks like a Winnebago, and the second is a golf cart, not a troop attack transport. The U-wing and Shuttle fulfill the same function as helicopters did in Vietnam, rapid transportation with gunners, they aren’t silly go carts for ferrying pilots to their x-wings.

This is the wrong scale game for the inclusion of anything the size of either the shuttle or the U-wing, especially when the Rapid Reinforcement card already emulates the effect of a flying troop transport dropping off reinforcements. If Legion were 1/15th scale, I'd expect to see airborne transport units. But it isn't. The scale means the playing field is significantly smaller than than the sort of distances airborne transport would be reasonably used for redeployment in any real world conflict, as they are a valuable resource better used for transporting infantry long distances, not risked to transport a handful of infantry the equivalent of a few hundred meters. There is no reason to introduce a sliding scale for units whose in game effects are adequately handled by cards.

In fact, given that models are not penalized for moving and then shooting (or shooting and then moving), I think mobility will be significantly less of an issue in this game than other miniature games. I wouldn't hold my breath for any sort of transport unit.

1 hour ago, Derrault said:

The first looks like a Winnebago, and the second is a golf cart, not a troop attack transport. The U-wing and Shuttle fulfill the same function as helicopters did in Vietnam, rapid transportation with gunners, they aren’t silly go carts for ferrying pilots to their x-wings.

Yeah I thought it was clear that I posted the rebel golf cart as a joke? As for the imperial troop transport, it doesn't look that much different from a real world APC.

8 hours ago, mini78 said:

My U-Wing..... proportions are slightly off, but the length is just about right. It's a nice terrain piece but it wouldn't be that manoeuvrable on a 6'x3' table.

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Nice! Which model is that?

5 hours ago, Grrum said:

Nice! Which model is that?

Repainted Hasbro toy.

7 hours ago, Derrault said:

The first looks like a Winnebago, and the second is a golf cart, not a troop attack transport. The U-wing and Shuttle fulfill the same function as helicopters did in Vietnam, rapid transportation with gunners, they aren’t silly go carts for ferrying pilots to their x-wings.

We don't need silly ships ferrying my troops around the field either. They are fully capable of walking on their own.

10 hours ago, devin.pike.1989 said:

And if they do add transports, we have the itt.

And the somewhat less impressive rebel troop transport.

As dorky as these look, I’m actually a fan of them including these in Legion at some point. IIRC in canon they both carry six people (which is perfect for current Corp unit sizes) and the Imperial version is 6m long which is do-able for this game. The rebel version even looks a tad smaller.

Problem is, I’m not sure how useful they’d be outside of “The Long March” deployment. Although Speed 1 units like Snowtroopers might get some use out of them in any deployment type.

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14 minutes ago, OMGBRICK said:

Problem is, I’m not sure how useful they’d be outside of “The Long March” deployment. Although Speed 1 units like Snowtroopers might get some use out of them in any deployment type.

Since the Snowtroopers get a free ranged attack action after moving I don't know how much even they will need transportation. Two Speed 1 movements will move the squad leader (I think?) 12" down the field and still shoot. So barely able to make it entirely across the board on "The Long March" but still able to cross the entire field if necessary, and even shoot every turn as well. I personally feel that Snowtroopers and Fleet Troopers are the best options for holding off the board for Rapid Reinforcement of any Corps unit revealed so far, in addition to any unit armed with grenades.

I doubt we'll see the ITT until FFG comes up with a close Rebel analogue, as in addition to being able to transport a single Corps unit, an ITT is armed with 2 forward facing laser guns and a laser turret in addition to being armoured. It is more of an IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle) than a pure APC.