1 hour ago, Rakky Wistol said:

The Empire are the good guys. Don't let those rebel propaganda films fool you.

Gotta be honest, whenever I see this I always wonder, "How much of this is an actual joke, and how much of it is just pretending to be a joke?" (The way I answer my own question differs depending on who's saying it.)

1 hour ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Gotta be honest, whenever I see this I always wonder, "How much of this is an actual joke, and how much of it is just pretending to be a joke?" (The way I answer my own question differs depending on who's saying it.)

The Empire brought law and order to the galaxy. The rebels are just terrorists who crave power. Don't buy into their anti-government propaganda.

1 hour ago, mithril2098 said:

He is definately Rebel faction (he has the same goals and uses the same gear and has many of the same connections), but IMO there was potential to inject some more Scum style gear and fighting style into them, since S&V type groups are where they'd have to turn to for supplies and intel after leaving the main rebel alliance.

guess we'll see how scummy the Partisans are in this set.

Yeah, definite opportunity to give allow x-wings and u-wings to take illicit and maybe salvaged astromech upgrades. Stuff like that would have been cool.

Can we estimate this to be on shelves by June? Or will it be later?

5 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Gotta be honest, whenever I see this I always wonder, "How much of this is an actual joke, and how much of it is just pretending to be a joke?" (The way I answer my own question differs depending on who's saying it.)

Depending on how much one wants to dig through the lore (and ignore author's intent, as it's pretty clear the rebels were supposed to be the good guys), there's a pretty interesting discussion to be had on how good the rebels really are

I learned everything I needed to know about this issue from 'Clerks'.

2 hours ago, Velvetelvis said:

Can we estimate this to be on shelves by June? Or will it be later?

I bet they will aim for May, before the movie.

@Saw and the Rebellion

Saw is more rebel than than Mothma and the rest of the Alliance, his only goal is to destroy the Empire.

Scum on the other hand is all about money, if they fight the Empire it's because someone pays them or they are protecting their business. There is no ideology behind them.

4 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

I learned everything I needed to know about this issue from 'Clerks'.

There are good guys and bad guys on both sides of any war

...but let’s be honest, the empire is just too cool looking to ignore

6 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

Yeah, definite opportunity to give allow x-wings and u-wings to take illicit and maybe salvaged astromech upgrades. Stuff like that would have been cool.

I was thinking the same thing. Would give the Partisans an interesting, scumy flavour. Dead Man’s switch is in line with the Partisan strategy with suicide attacks. Could the ”Renegad Refit” (?) upgrade card give access to an extra Modification and an Illicit slot like the Smuggling Compartment upgrade?

On another note, when first reading Kullbee Sperado’s ability I interpreted the Servomotor S-foil as a dual card like Adaptability that is fixed when it comes into play. And that would seem counter to the purpose of S-foils. But I guess Sperado just gets an extra opportunity to flip his S-foils after an (boost or BR) action in addition to at the end of the X phase.

1 hour ago, eMeM said:

I bet they will aim for May, before the movie.

@Saw and the Rebellion

Saw is more rebel than than Mothma and the rest of the Alliance, his only goal is to destroy the Empire.

Scum on the other hand is all about money, if they fight the Empire it's because someone pays them or they are protecting their business. There is no ideology behind them.

I very, very much doubt that's a realistic timeframe. The movie is out in 2.5 months. That's about the time shipping normally takes, and this isn't even at the printer yet.

Heck, June is probably pushing it.

So it seems that we finally get NEW EPIC for Scum and fix for Mist Hunter!

2 hours ago, eMeM said:

I bet they will aim for May, before the movie.

@Saw and the Rebellion

Saw is more rebel than than Mothma and the rest of the Alliance, his only goal is to destroy the Empire.

Scum on the other hand is all about money, if they fight the Empire it's because someone pays them or they are protecting their business. There is no ideology behind them.

I'll second May as the release date. It's in keeping with the wave per six months schedule. I for one am happier with 2-3 ship waves. It's forgiving on the wallet...

I can't see Saw being more "Rebel" than Mon Mothma. You've got to look at the motives, actions and goals of a person.

Saw's motive is, at the time of Rogue One, to win against what he considers his personal enemy - the Empire. He does so at the cost of common people by fighting a guerrilla war in a city. In the clone wars, he's willing to commit genocide for his causes. He's really sacrificed nothing but time and the lives of his comrades for his cause.

Mon Mothma, on the other hand, was a prestigious member of the galactic senate like Leia, and willingly (unlike Leia) gave up her position in an act of defiance. Her goal is the defeat of the empire, but tempered both with a dose of reality and actual diplomatic ability. She pretty much single handedly unifies the rebel groups. She's possibly the most rebellious character in the franchise.

"Rebel" is most cases is a perjorative. Mon Mothma represents the alliance side of rebel alliance.

I do wish FFG would be more willing to give different pilots different stats or upgrades. There's no reason Saw couldn't have an illicit slot on his upgrade bar while the others don't. They tried this with the ol outer rim smuggler and screwed it up and haven't bothered since.

I just realized it doesn’t appear that there is a new torpedo with this Rebel expansion/aces pack. I was looking forward to something X-Wing only that might could help them out offensively. Maybe the new titles and mods will be enough.

21 minutes ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I just realized it doesn’t appear that there is a new torpedo with this Rebel expansion/aces pack. I was looking forward to something X-Wing only that might could help them out offensively. Maybe the new titles and mods will be enough.

It looks like we hope the Renegade Refit will take the torpedo slot. (and it's T-65 and U-Wing only)

4 hours ago, Astech said:

Mon Mothma, on the other hand, was a prestigious member of the galactic senate like Leia, and willingly (unlike Leia) gave up her position in an act of defiance. Her goal is the defeat of the empire, but tempered both with a dose of reality and actual diplomatic ability. She pretty much single handedly unifies the rebel groups. She's possibly the most rebellious character in the franchise.

Leia took over as senator from Bail Organa, who was very active in the Alliance to Restore the Rebuplic, aquiring ships and equipment, while Leia was doing her duty as a spy and using her political influence to help the Alliance gain support in the senate. Mothma was the public face of the Alliance, a symbol, and functioned as the Head of State and dealt directly with actors or factions outside of the Empire. Being ‘out’ as a Rebel has more to do with your job within the Alliance than how brave you are or how much you sacrificed. Leia was fully prepared to give up her life for the cause but she had to give up so much more, I would say more than any other character in SW.

9 minutes ago, Odanan said:

It looks like we hope the Renegade Refit will take the torpedo slot. (and it's T-65 and U-Wing only)

It’s all torp upgrades, all the way down. And those upgrades all add more torp slots.

Why do we want the refit to take the torp slot? We don’t want it to take a title slot like the star viper title which allows a second title?

2 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Why do we want the refit to take the torp slot? We don’t want it to take a title slot like the star viper title which allows a second title?

If refit is a title, there are no place for 'and U-Wing'. If refit is a torp slot, there are high chance that it is 'and U-Wing'.

1 hour ago, bernh said:

If refit is a title, there are no place for 'and U-Wing'. If refit is a torp slot, there are high chance that it is 'and U-Wing'.

Guess so. I mean I’m fine with it, but it always stinks to just restrict the builds you can take even more so. Kinda like a two steps forward 1 step back kind of thing.

Part of what makes xwings iconic is their torpedoes. Would be a shame if you don’t have that option in a competitive build.

2 hours ago, Kdubb said:

Guess so. I mean I’m fine with it, but it always stinks to just restrict the builds you can take even more so. Kinda like a two steps forward 1 step back kind of thing.

Part of what makes xwings iconic is their torpedoes. Would be a shame if you don’t have that option in a competitive build.

You already don't have that option in a competitive build, because there are no torpedoes that are actually worth running in singles, especially when the fix for munitions conflicts with the fix for x-wings.

I may be wrong about the S-Foils card. But doesn’t it look like Boost on one side and Tallon Roll plus something about K-Turns on the other?

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

You already don't have that option in a competitive build, because there are no torpedoes that are actually worth running in singles, especially when the fix for munitions conflicts with the fix for x-wings.

Perhaps not currently, but the moment they release something that does make it worthwhile to take a torpedo on a platform like an xwing, it’s gonna stink that that slot was semi erased from it.

You see something similar happening with Awings right now. If their point reduction doesn’t remove the missile, maybe harpoon or Cruise Awings are a thing. But having to pay 2 more points for every missile for them just is too much of a penalty outside of extreme cases like Jake Han of yesteryear.

Can you imagine if the X7 title DIDN'T remove the Defender's missile slot though? I guess they are hoping not to create a monster? Dunno.

Xwing fix!!!!!! Don't expect a rational measured response.

10 hours ago, Kdubb said:

You see something similar happening with Awings right now. If their point reduction doesn’t remove the missile, maybe harpoon or Cruise Awings are a thing. But having to pay 2 more points for every missile for them just is too much of a penalty outside of extreme cases like Jake Han of yesteryear.

Scyk pays 2 for Missile slot too. And gets an extra Hull. Apparently it also gets to pay 2 for mod slot and also being dealt face down damage cards. 12 point filler or 20 point Harpoon boat?

A-wings get the shaft? It depends. A really good dial doesn’t seem to mean anything when you just throw 2 dice.