So value and collateral damage determine the scale of evil? Whose values system do we use and how much collateral damage is acceptable?

Your Tarkin example is just the larger scale version of collateral damage, policing, and punishment. If we use his values and scale it was acceptable. Who gets to decide? And if a weapon can be used for collateral damage, policing, and punishment then the scale is pretty irrelevant if we accept that collateral damage, policing, and punishment are the uses of weapons. 1 out of 7 billion or 1 billion out of 700 billion.

No reason to be rude and profane. No one is forcing you to join a conversation you don't want to be a part of.

23 hours ago, Sekac said:

Also, there's no argument to be made that destroying Alderaan was to save hundreds of billions. It was to torture a difficult prisoner...

Hang on...

...wasn't Alderaan demolished to make way for building a hyperspatial express route through the system? - with the (admirable) goal of developing the outlying regions of the galaxy.

I'm sure all the planning charts and demolition orders had been on display at the local planning department for fifty years by that stage. If the Alderaanians had been too busy usurping the established government to lodge any formal complaint it was a little to late to make a fuss.

2 hours ago, ABXY said:

Hang on...

...wasn't Alderaan demolished to make way for building a hyperspatial express route through the system? - with the (admirable) goal of developing the outlying regions of the galaxy.

I'm sure all the planning charts and demolition orders had been on display at the local planning department for fifty years by that stage. If the Alderaanians had been too busy usurping the established government to lodge any formal complaint it was a little to late to make a fuss.

On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them. With a flashlight. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard"

11 hours ago, Rakky Wistol said:

So value and collateral damage determine the scale of evil? Whose values system do we use and how much collateral damage is acceptable?

Your Tarkin example is just the larger scale version of collateral damage, policing, and punishment. If we use his values and scale it was acceptable. Who gets to decide?

I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue at this point.

Moral relativism to such an extreme degree that nobody should ever be held accountable for anything?

If there's someone, anyone , who thinks an action isn't wrong then it can't be viewed as wrong because nobody's view is more or less correct than any other?

If Tarkin thinks murdering billions is okay, then who are we to disagree?

If Hitler thought the holocaust was right, then maybe it was?

Not sure if that's how you actually think or just being contrary for the sake of it.

I enjoy philosophical debates for as long as they have some practical value. This one has veered off into the purely speculative with no real world relevance whatsoever.

If I haven't convinced you that murdering billions of innocents is more evil than killing those who are murdering billions of innocents, I don't think I'm going to.

So I'm bowing out.

It is okay to enjoy the bad guys. But please, remember they are the bad guys.

Also, kind of going off topic here. Can't wait for the previews.

Dying here for the previews... and they know we want to see all the cards in this one, so, you know they'll delay it for as long as they can...

On 22/02/2018 at 7:14 AM, Boba Rick said:

I really hope we get news soon specifically on the X-Wing fix part of this expansion.

Agreed. I really want to get list crafting with all my favourite but rarely flown X-Wing pilots!

I'm hoping for a Solo Falcon preview sometime soon. We all know it's coming, I just really hope LFL finally starts doing some publicity for this movie so we can have the article already.

7 hours ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Dying here for the previews... and they know we want to see all the cards in this one, so, you know they'll delay it for as long as they can...

So... TIE Reaper first?

20 hours ago, Rakky Wistol said:

Your Tarkin example is just the larger scale version of collateral damage, policing, and punishment. If we use his values and scale it was acceptable. Who gets to decide? And if a weapon can be used for collateral damage, policing, and punishment then the scale is pretty irrelevant if we accept that collateral damage, policing, and punishment are the uses of weapons.

1 out of 7 billion or 1 billion out of 700 billion.

1) collateral damage is always unacceptable.

2) he was a literal nazi

3) The use of weapons is not punishment or policing, it’s killing

4) OH MY GOD COLLATERAL DAMAGE IS NOT THE USE, ITS A SIDE EFFECT, AND A BAD ONE

5) Even one innocent death is unacceptable.

Hey I wonder when the next preview can be out so we can debate the nature and scale of WMDs, evil, Nazis and probably a few other even more incindiary topics in a new thread!

It’s gonna be a long wait till we get those flappy X-wings....

When I used a magnifying glass to roast ants as a kid, I felt the Power of the Dark Side.

Thankfully, I turned from it as I grew.

But I'm no Jedi, if there's a nest of red ants under the kids climbing frame, I get the Death Kettle out. I have mixed feelings about it though.

Still, I can handle a little bit of evil without turning.

2 hours ago, Wilcoclahas said:

1) collateral damage is always unacceptable.

2) he was a literal nazi

3) The use of weapons is not punishment or policing, it’s killing

4) OH MY GOD COLLATERAL DAMAGE IS NOT THE USE, ITS A SIDE EFFECT, AND A BAD ONE

5) Even one innocent death is unacceptable.

Tell all that to Harry S. Truman.

SO ABOUT THOSE TIE REAPERS WOTWOT

9 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

SO ABOUT THOSE REAPERS WOTWOT

HUMAN, YOU HAVE CHANGED NOTHING

8 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Tell all that to Harry S. Truman.

You mean any national leader, head of state or military commander in the history of the world? Any armed force is a weapon of mass destruction. One plane with a nuke, an ICBM, a fleet of bombers with napalm bombs, an Iron Age army with a scorched earth tactic, or one guy tying burning torches to the tails of animals and putting them in fields of crops are all very destructive in various ways and most likely produce unintended casualties. As time goes by and man’s ability to destroy becomes more efficient it has not also made mankind wiser or more kind, only just a bit more cautious in using the really big sticks.

And and I don’t even know what this thread is about anymore. Someone mentioned scrambled eggs or something earlier....

5 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

As time goes by and man’s ability to destroy becomes more efficient it has not also made mankind wiser or more kind, only just a bit more cautious in using the really big sticks.

Nah. Look back and I think you'll find that as soon as the big stick becomes available, it simply has to be used immediately .

10 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Nah. Look back and I think you'll find that as soon as the big stick becomes available, it simply has to be used immediately .

Only when you can get away with it. You know, without fear of counterattack or reprisal from authority.

So, should we just make a new thread? This one seems to be in a tail spin and on fire.

But but but ... Saw, Black and Red (er white) U wings! death troopers!

It's almost as if more previews would keep us on topic! I was absolutely being contrary for the sake of it...

Except for the part about the rebel propaganda films.

I'm really hoping we get more news today.

10 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

I'm really hoping we get more news today.

About Nazi atomic bombs?

Here’s some (old) news about plucky Resistance fighters knocking out a research station developing a super weapon.