So question with Kanan/Finn/Whatever floating around if the JM5K would win worlds again 2018 would it be a bad thing?

10 minutes ago, Cubanboy said:

So question with Kanan/Finn/Whatever floating around if the JM5K would win worlds again 2018 would it be a bad thing?

Honestly? Nope!

Though I'd rather see Wedge on top.

I don't think so. Dengar is still solid and the bumpmaster has utility.

I hate to say it, but yes. Because it means the last 5 waves of content and FAQs have been for nothing. Not saying the jumpmaster cant win other worlds, just not this worlds.

Shrug. Its not so easy to play it now. Though I'll say Dengar is still a pain.

If its not dominant, its the same as everything else. Someone out there might like the Jumpmaster, yknow.

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The original ships in this game though are in serious need of some help though. The newest waves aren't utterly bonkers like the Jumpmaster (well... Nym is... the sheathipede is...). Who am I kidding, the newest waves and stuff are all bonkers. The old stuff really needs some help.

Is it odd to say that we're both at the best the game has ever been, and perhaps literally at its worst also: So many nerfs, so much systemic/persistent imbalance that is impossible to easily fix. We're cancerous, but we're also flying.

Yes and no.

It's not really dominating the meta, so if it wins it will be a proof of diversity. So no, not a bad thing.

But for the history of the game it looks really bad. A ship that's never in any movie, to win worlds 3 times in a row despite all the nerfs? Yes. That's a bad thing.

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Only if a massive majority of the top tables are also JM5K.

You’re asking me to choose the lesser of two evils? If the top table at Worlds (or more importantly, the UK open) ends up being J5K vs Fenn/Ghost I vote we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

6 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

I vote we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

It’s the only way to be sure.

Pfft you wanna wipe a planet you want to virus bomb it, nukes will just create the fallout universe.

15 minutes ago, Hobojebus said:

Pfft you wanna wipe a planet you want to virus bomb it, nukes will just create the fallout universe.

I don’t want to set the world, on, fire.......

5 minutes ago, Cubanboy said:

I don’t want to set the world, on, fire.......

But if someone else does it form me, I'll happily watch it burn?

I despise the JM5K for its ridiculous statline and dial. The Bumpmaster is still as potent as ever, and I could see a list capitalising on that, especially given the prevalence of action-dependent lists at the moment like Kanan/Fenn and such. It's the single ship I've never enjoyed flying against, nor had the slightest desire to fly myself.

However, I think the meta has moved on, to the point where NuNuNu + QD can nuke one in a single turn, given ideal circumstances. The rest of the list would have to have amazing offensive and defensive power to make up for it.

6 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

Shrug. Its not so easy to play it now. Though I'll say Dengar is still a pain.

If its not dominant, its the same as everything else. Someone out there might like the Jumpmaster, yknow.

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The original ships in this game though are in serious need of some help though. The newest waves aren't utterly bonkers like the Jumpmaster (well... Nym is... the sheathipede is...). Who am I kidding, the newest waves and stuff are all bonkers. The old stuff really needs some help.

Is it odd to say that we're both at the best the game has ever been, and perhaps literally at its worst also: So many nerfs, so much systemic/persistent imbalance that is impossible to easily fix. We're cancerous, but we're also flying.

Not to worry, we are still flying half a ship.

And every ship has its fans whether good or bad (remember the hwk enthusiasts pre-tlt?). Which is why it pains me that I keep running into people who like to shame other people (genrally speaking) for flying X because it’s “_____”. (Fill in the blank with whatever)

8 hours ago, Yearfire said:

Yes and no.

It's not really dominating the meta, so if it wins it will be a proof of diversity. So no, not a bad thing.

But for the history of the game it looks really bad. A ship that's never in any movie, to win worlds 3 times in a row despite all the nerfs? Yes. That's a bad thing.

This part is rather unimportant to me. Why is this of concern to you? Winning worlds 3 years in a row despite nerfs is concerning. But lack of screen time does not a bad ship make. If screen time was a condition, I'm sure the Scum players would be happy to play with their Shadowcaster, YV-666, Firesprays, C-Roc, Y-Wings, Protectorates and Mining Guild TIE.

5 hours ago, Astech said:

But if someone else does it form me, I'll happily watch it burn?

I despise the JM5K for its ridiculous statline and dial. The Bumpmaster is still as potent as ever, and I could see a list capitalising on that, especially given the prevalence of action-dependent lists at the moment like Kanan/Fenn and such. It's the single ship I've never enjoyed flying against, nor had the slightest desire to fly myself.

However, I think the meta has moved on, to the point where NuNuNu + QD can nuke one in a single turn, given ideal circumstances. The rest of the list would have to have amazing offensive and defensive power to make up for it.

Count me among those that dislikes the JM5K from a gameplay perspective. Too much health and great dial for it's relative point cost. See also: Scurgg, K-Wing.

It might, but it's not the best ship in the game anymore, it's just in the top five IMO.

I'll wager the top eight will be uber-heavy Rebel, with Regen and/or TLT in every list. No casual Star Wars fan will recognize what the h*** the game is based on.

80 degree arced only ships will not be very well represented in the top 16 unless in a support role.

Boring meta is on the horizon after one of the best meta's in years.

That said, I hope the Jumpmaster wins again, FFG actually deserves such an event as an outcome.

5 hours ago, Ravncat said:

Only if a massive majority of the top tables are also JM5K.

This right here. Honestly though, I wouldn't say a massive majority. If like 40-50% of the top tables are Jumpmasters, I would be annoyed. If there were a handfull of lists in the top 16 that had jumpmasters and one of them made it to the top, good for them.

33 minutes ago, kris40k said:

This right here. Honestly though, I wouldn't say a massive majority. If like 40-50% of the top tables are Jumpmasters, I would be annoyed. If there were a handfull of lists in the top 16 that had jumpmasters and one of them made it to the top, good for them.

I'm with you, except that I'd be annoyed if the top tables are 40-50% anything to be honest. Replacing all those Jumpmaster lists with Shuttle lists wouldn't be much of an improvement. Obviously some ships/builds are always going to be stronger or more efficient but when every list uses the same ship/mechanic/interaction it gets boring pretty quickly.

14 hours ago, Cubanboy said:

So question with Kanan/Finn/Whatever floating around if the JM5K would win worlds again 2018 would it be a bad thing?

No, because the consensus has shifted from the power of the Jumpmaster being wildly skewed towards deific to being servicable but not opressive. A Jumpmaster winning now, after it's been brought down 3 faqs and an errata pegs will prove only what some of us have been saying the whole time: We actually like flying it.

If a Jumpman wins, there will be gripes and grumbles, but that Jumpman would have won among a much more varied, diverse ecosystem, in a healthier game than it had won before.

Personally, if a ship is in 40-50% of the same faction's lists, then I'm not going to be as happy as I could be. I want to see and play against a diverse setup in as many games as possible. I understand Kanan/Fenn, Nym/Miranda and GUNBOAT/GUNBOAT/GUNBOAT is a thing for good reason, but I still want more distinct opponents.

Honestly...I put it in the same category as Rey at this point.

Dengar is basically as wholesome as a small base arc ship now.

I would celebrate it provided it was "offense" focused and Timewalk Assaj wasn't anywhere near the list.

I really want all three factions to be competetive and strong enough to win worlds.

But another Jumpmaster win? Better not.... this ship doesn't even represent the Star Wars environment very well.

I really wish the Champion had Wedge or Vader or something like that.

5 hours ago, Astech said:

But if someone else does it form me, I'll happily watch it burn?

However, I think the meta has moved on, to the point where NuNuNu + QD can nuke one in a single turn, given ideal circumstances.

Get it Fallout Universe, most pop song In the game.....

totally calling QD, Nu, Nu, Nu

Nucla-Cola

7 hours ago, Sciencius said:

Hehe, behold your new tripplescout overlords:

Contracted Scout — JumpMaster 5000 25

Opportunist 4

K4 Security Droid 3

Anti-Pursuit Lasers 2

Ship Total: 34

Contracted Scout — JumpMaster 5000 25

Opportunist 4

K4 Security Droid 3

Ion Projector 2

Ship Total: 34

Contracted Scout — JumpMaster 5000 25

Opportunist 4

K4 Security Droid 3

Ship Total: 32

Nope. Triple jumps probably isn’t viable anymore, but if it is, it’s definitely not that. The build Marcel showed me at the MN regional looks a lot better, but I don’t want to ruin the surprise if he actually decides to use it, so you’ll just have to trust me.

I would laugh and grab some popcorn.

That being said I won't be sad if it didn't either.