9 hours ago, RogueLeader42 said:

Small ship only

Problem solved.

Lol. Miranda and Nym are problems. Albeit, less than the Ghost and Dash. :3

19 hours ago, Zura said:

Do you guys remember how bad ywings were before tlt? Near unplayable. Tlt was the ywing fix, making at least one of 4 og ships playable

Where do people get this idea ywings were unplayable before tlt? Ion ywings saw play quite a bit even up to the “warthog” days of ion turret + title.

NOW tlt may be necessary due to power creep, but they were not at all bad before tlt arrived. If anything, tlt made them bad just as much as it helped them. TLT pushed the creep well above the power line where non-tlt ywings could see competitive play.

TLT may be the first pure example of power creep, and we have felt the effects ever since. It outclassed every other turret in essentially every scenario to the point that the others had little reason to exist (outside of the niche, meta dependent autoblaster). And not only that, but it outclassed primaries in such a way that, baring direct errata, the classic 80 degree primary arc jouster was doomed as more ships gained access to the TLT.

Whether intentional creep or not, it didn’t matter. The damage was done the instant FFG refused to make an appropriate change. With the ensuing power creep, a lot of the damage TLT has done is ingrained in the game now.

19 hours ago, Zura said:

If you nerf it because of ghost, ion is still a viable option.

Show me a Ghost list without TLT that is as effective as a TLT Ghost and I will claim you the greatest xwing list builder to ever live.

19 hours ago, Zura said:

If you nerf it because of ghost, ion is still a viable option.

Do you guys remember how bad ywings were before tlt? Near unplayable. Tlt was the ywing fix, making at least one of 4 og ships playable. By nerfing tlt you kill y wings and tie aggressor. And killing off ships for the greater good is not the way.

I took 2 y wings to top 8 at gencon before tlt, they were the backbone of my list. 5 y wing with autoblaster turret lists also made a strong showing during that season as did 4 ys with ion. You do not know de way

33 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Show me a Ghost list without TLT that is as effective as a TLT Ghost and I will claim you the greatest xwing list builder to ever live.

Ezra/Maul with a Synced Turret can deal more damage. Depends on your definition of effective though.

11 hours ago, RogueLeader42 said:

Small ship only

Problem solved.

I hear rumbles of this possibly being true.

On 2/10/2018 at 10:59 PM, Zura said:

If you nerf it because of ghost, ion is still a viable option.

Do you guys remember how bad ywings were before tlt? Near unplayable. Tlt was the ywing fix, making at least one of 4 og ships playable. By nerfing tlt you kill y wings and tie aggressor. And killing off ships for the greater good is not the way.

Um, every single mid-range low agility ship (that doesn't have Reinforce) killed by TLT agrees with your assertion.

16 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Sarcasm. The sharpest blade of weak.

Still, the argument can be made that the Ghost would not care much about a TLT nerf, because Kanan Syn-Turret is devastating as well.

Ad hominem undercuts even sarcasm!

I don't think that exclamation mark belongs there. /s ;-)

7 hours ago, Kdubb said:

Where do people get this idea ywings were unplayable before tlt? Ion ywings saw play quite a bit even up to the “warthog” days of ion turret + title.

NOW tlt may be necessary due to power creep, but they were not at all bad before tlt arrived. If anything, tlt made them bad just as much as it helped them. TLT pushed the creep well above the power line where non-tlt ywings could see competitive play.

TLT may be the first pure example of power creep, and we have felt the effects ever since. It outclassed every other turret in essentially every scenario to the point that the others had little reason to exist (outside of the niche, meta dependent autoblaster). And not only that, but it outclassed primaries in such a way that, baring direct errata, the classic 80 degree primary arc jouster was doomed as more ships gained access to the TLT.

Whether intentional creep or not, it didn’t matter. The damage was done the instant FFG refused to make an appropriate change. With the ensuing power creep, a lot of the damage TLT has done is ingrained in the game now.

Show me a Ghost list without TLT that is as effective as a TLT Ghost and I will claim you the greatest xwing list builder to ever live.

You should keep up on the Polish meta.

Autothursters? Sensor Jammer? Range 1? can only be used on ships that die fast to focus fire?

sounds like its already been nerfed

5 hours ago, AgencyBurglar said:

You should keep up on the Polish meta.

Let’s not pretend that Poland doesn’t makes up for out of the box list building with phenomenal table play. I appreciate that they are willing to break the mold, and I don’t want them to ever stop doing such a thing, but I would be remissed to claim these 1-2 range turrets are as effective as the TLT builds based on the fact that a few Polish players can take a handicap and still persevere.

1 hour ago, Kdubb said:

Let’s not pretend that Poland doesn’t makes up for out of the box list building with phenomenal table play. I appreciate that they are willing to break the mold, and I don’t want them to ever stop doing such a thing, but I would be remissed to claim these 1-2 range turrets are as effective as the TLT builds based on the fact that a few Polish players can take a handicap and still persevere.

I think the main argument the Polish player was making on Mynock was that most of the time you boost with PS11 on a Ghost is to gain Range 1 Primary on a Defender, so choose a turret that lets you focus fire at the end of the round.

On 2/11/2018 at 6:07 AM, Hobojebus said:

Empire has only just got a platform that can use it, so of course it'll get nerfed.

Making it "Imperial Only" would fix all of the issues with TLT.

On 2/11/2018 at 10:49 AM, jwilliamson12 said:

So, I ran a Ghost TLT at regionals yesterday. I didn't do well.

Which Ghost?

2 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Which Ghost?

Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Hotshot Co-pilot (4)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)

Kanan Jarrus (38)
Accuracy Corrector (3)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
Rey (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Ghost (0)

"Zeb" Orrelios (18)
"Chopper" (0)
Phantom (0)

Total: 100

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I anticipated a LOT more Nymiranda, but only met up with it once. Was banking on the TLT/AC to tear through those 1 agility ships. Worked well on a few, but got wrecked on token-stacking ships like PTL Silencers and Inquisitors.

Yeah, that's why. Ezra/Maul is significantly stronger. Focused Kanan concentrates too much on defense; with Fenn, Kanan is reducing already weak attacks. Ezra/Maul pumps the offense ... which is where you had your problems.

EDIT: I should also point out that Kanan isn't even as good at defense, because (1) he needs actions, unlike Sensor Jammer, and so (2) he's more vulnerable to blocking, and (3) he can't afford to take the Evade action.

Mauler Ghost is just crazy good, offensively and defensively.

6 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Yeah, that's why. Ezra/Maul is significantly stronger. Focused Kanan concentrates too much on defense; with Fenn, Kanan is reducing already weak attacks. Ezra/Maul pumps the offense ... which is where you had your problems.

Yep, 100%. I thought I could use Kanan to help out Fenn, but it didn't happen often enough. The Maul/Ezra builds did much better in that tournament.

I had fun. Learned a lot. Found out I'm nowhere near quality enough of a player to go .500 at a regional. But that's OK.

1 minute ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I had fun. Learned a lot. Found out I'm nowhere near quality enough of a player to go .500 at a regional. But that's OK.

FWIW, I don't know you, but I seriously doubt that's true. In order to not be quality enough to go .500 at a Regional, you would not be capable of discussing the game intelligently. (That's not the same thing as saying you will go .500+ at a Regional, but I simply have no doubt that you're capable.)

10 hours ago, AgencyBurglar said:

You should keep up on the Polish meta.

If you can win with it outside of Poland, let me know.

6 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

FWIW, I don't know you, but I seriously doubt that's true. In order to not be quality enough to go .500 at a Regional, you would not be capable of discussing the game intelligently. (That's not the same thing as saying you will go .500+ at a Regional, but I simply have no doubt that you're capable.)

Thanks. Appreciate the confidence boost. I was at least competitive in about 4 of the 6 rounds. If I had more time to prepare, I may have found those weaknesses out enough to know not to take that exact build. Before the next tournament I'm in, I just need to dedicate more time to practice.

18 hours ago, Kdubb said:

Show me a Ghost list without TLT that is as effective as a TLT Ghost and I will claim you the greatest xwing list builder to ever live.

You know AC/ auto blaster turret has been around since triple deadeye scouts right? Double tap still puts out 4 damage. The range 1 restriction isn’t that much of a hinderance because the ghost is a large base and it likes to go fast anyway. Doubly so now with Fenn handing out coordinated boost. Oh and the worst part? You can’t dodge the damage either! While you can still (potentially) whiff your tlt shots ac/autoblaster is 100% guaranteed damage.

2 hours ago, jwilliamson12 said:

I anticipated a LOT more Nymiranda, but only met up with it once. Was banking on the TLT/AC to tear through those 1 agility ships. Worked well on a few, but got wrecked on token-stacking ships like PTL Silencers and Inquisitors.

You are basically 2 weeks to late or so.
So a little bit unlucky, the meta was the last 90 days especially turbulent with the Nymranda nerf, the rise of Kanan/Fenn, the evolution into several other forms and the rise of counters against it. Especially the Inquisitor has become a strong piece in imperial lists, simply because he can deal with missiles, has 4 HP AND tokens AND autothrusters to deal with the TLT shots somewhat AND can be used in several lists, some of them bringing even harpoons for himself.

And funny enough, being too late compared to most events still might have been the correct timing for your local event. Not every event will minimic the global meta as quickly or even at all and the moment the meta of a event goes different all late swiss rounds will have a dramatically different dynamic as well.

On ‎2‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 5:57 AM, FTS Gecko said:

It's not a case of do or do not (only a Sith deals in absolutes, after all),.

quoting a Jedi master as an example of sith dealing in absolutes?!, typical rebellion terrorist propaganda!!