The Scurrg H-6, K-Wing, and TIE Silencer were on large bases?

I understand that they’re supposed to be bombers/strike fighters/superiority fighters and whatnot, and I know point fortressing on small-base ships is popular in the competitive meta, but, what I really want to know is WHY TF ARE THESE SHIPS NOT ON LARGE BASES?

Aggressors are on large bases, but they’re no bigger in profile, smaller even, than some ships that have been released (Punisher, ARC-170 as well).

I was just wondering how you think the game, or the “world” of X-Wing, would be different if these ships were on large bases. Would the game be fair? Would their base sizes make no sense whatsoever? Would you not buy them because they’d be $30 each?

The silencer would be doa on a large base.

The others, impossible to tell, the hypothetical future is.

FFG didn't have the foresight to create a medium base profile that's 1.5x1.5 bases. Nor did they take the opportunity when they had their chance with aggressors and then again with K-wings and punishers. Now we're kind of locked into only 2 sizes.

Formation flying with 1.5 size bases would be utterly terrible. The idea on a basic level might be good, but the logistics of introducing a half sized base when the maneuver templates are only in whole sizes would make this game considerably difficult.

Half points on silencer would make it a non-starter (under current rules). Same for scurgg. It wouldn't get used. But the silencer would be fast as **** and a low PS one would be one **** of a blocker

25 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

The silencer would be doa on a large base.

The others, impossible to tell, the hypothetical future is.

If it still had advanced sensors boost barrel roll that dial and a PS9 pilot it'd be FIIIIIIIINE. ALL kinds of fine.

Honestly? What I take away from this is that they should have tried harder to fit the Aggressor on a small base. A nimble evasive fighter like the silencer just doesn't work on a small base- That huge footprint just collides with too much. As for the K-wing and Scurrg... Large base bombing is a nightmare. The bsf gets by with Crimson specialist basically ignoring the normal bombing mechanic+ The craziness that is trajectory simulator. Without introducing one of those nightmares, the K-wing would have just been a boring Dash-lite instead of making bombs finally work (And then Sabine happened :| ). Plus the Punisher would have been been even worse.

As for the scurrg, they where probably just following the K-wing. Regarding the Scurrg's measurements- It seems likely FFG threw out the written measurements in favor of making the ship match its onscreen appearance, much as they have with the actual movie ships.

50 minutes ago, Sekac said:

FFG didn't have the foresight to create a medium base profile that's 1.5x1.5 bases. Nor did they take the opportunity when they had their chance with aggressors and then again with K-wings and punishers. Now we're kind of locked into only 2 sizes.

^ This.

44 minutes ago, Sephlar said:

Formation flying with 1.5 size bases would be utterly terrible. The idea on a basic level might be good, but the logistics of introducing a half sized base when the maneuver templates are only in whole sizes would make this game considerably difficult.

Nah, it wouldn't be so bad. It would take some adjusting and practice to get use to for sure but people would adapt.

Besides, how much formation flying do you EVER see Scurrgs, K-Wings, Silencers, Aggressors (Scum), U-Wings, HWKs, or ARCs do (other than with each other)? I think ARCs are the only ones I've ever seen flying in formation with ships of different classes, and even then only rarely.

I have no idea, but try it some casual night. Grab a spare large base and proxy it.

I'll say one thing: if the Scurrg was designed as a large-base ship, it probably would have been designed differently. Almost surely wouldn't have had T-Rolls, at very least.

4 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Besides, how much formation flying do you EVER see Scurrgs, K-Wings, Silencers, Aggressors (Scum), U-Wings, HWKs, or ARCs do (other than with each other)? I think ARCs are the only ones I've ever seen flying in formation with ships of different classes, and even then only rarely.

K-Wing used to be moderately often. I mean, Miranda/Lowhhrick/Biggs, pre nerf. Anyhow, biggest issue with a Medium-Base would be they'd possibly have to errata a bunch of stuff which said "large base only" or "small base only."

Well, barrel rolls might have been an issue on a 1.5 base. With the small-base style of barrel roll, there's probably too much space covered. With the large-base style, it might be underwhelming.

7 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

K-Wing used to be moderately often. I mean, Miranda/Lowhhrick/Biggs, pre nerf. Anyhow, biggest issue with a Medium-Base would be they'd possibly have to errata a bunch of stuff which said "large base only" or "small base only."

Well, barrel rolls might have been an issue on a 1.5 base. With the small-base style of barrel roll, there's probably too much space covered. With the large-base style, it might be underwhelming.

Agreed. Like @Sekac said, FFG kinda missed their opportunty and now it’s too late to go back and fix it without a full rules overhaul (X-wing 2.0).

20 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Nah, it wouldn't be so bad. It would take some adjusting and practice to get use to for sure but people would adapt.

Besides, how much formation flying do you EVER see Scurrgs, K-Wings, Silencers, Aggressors (Scum), U-Wings, HWKs, or ARCs do (other than with each other)? I think ARCs are the only ones I've ever seen flying in formation with ships of different classes, and even then only rarely.

I’m with the other guy, it would be freakin awful. I personally have flown K-Wings, HWKs, ARCs, and U-Wings in formation, and I’ve seen Silencers and Scurrgs in formation. Brobots...well, there’s only two. I would never have bothered with any of those lists if they were on 1.5 size bases. Period.

Why 1.5 bases? 1x2 baby! Long or wide

Silencer doesn't need a big base. It needs a new model. It's all wrong.

43 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

Silencer doesn't need a big base. It needs a new model. It's all wrong.

How so? Looks like the ship in the movie. Unless you were expecting the TIE Avenger.

30 minutes ago, GrimmyV said:

How so? Looks like the ship in the movie. Unless you were expecting the TIE Avenger.

IMHO the Silencer in the movie looked wrong. The leaked versions with the silver-white wing panels like all other First Order ships looked better (I had a friend who repainted one of his like this), and it's kind of comically large. If the whole thing was ~10-15% smaller it'd look better. Oh, and it would have fit in a $19.95 blister.

2 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Why 1.5 bases? 1x2 baby! Long or wide

TBH, this is what I was hoping for when they announced the K-Wing. It would’ve made for some interesting maneuvering through debris and formations.

Unfortunately, it never happened.

1 hour ago, GrimmyV said:

How so? Looks like the ship in the movie. Unless you were expecting the TIE Avenger.

The "engine deck" is wrong, the wings clearly extend too far back, and maybe a bit to far forward as well. Harder to tell. Overall too chunky. It looks like they maybe just had the front design work or an earlier version because it differs greatly from the ship in the movie. Enough that had it been movie accurate it would have fit in the large clam shell.

3 hours ago, Ailowynn said:

I’m with the other guy, it would be freakin awful. I personally have flown K-Wings, HWKs, ARCs, and U-Wings in formation, and I’ve seen Silencers and Scurrgs in formation. Brobots...well, there’s only two. I would never have bothered with any of those lists if they were on 1.5 size bases. Period.

That's quite a take. I really don't understand it. We fly small squares just fine and large ones too. But in-between sized ones would be impossible to visualize?

It makes exactly as much sense as someone quitting X-wing when they released big ships in wave 2. "What, that's not the square I'm used to maneuvering with, this game has jumped the shark!"

3 minutes ago, All Shields Forward said:

The "engine deck" is wrong, the wings clearly extend too far back, and maybe a bit to far forward as well. Harder to tell. Overall too chunky. It looks like they maybe just had the front design work or an earlier version because it differs greatly from the ship in the movie. Enough that had it been movie accurate it would have fit in the large clam shell.

But then you wouldn’t have gotten the pamphlet instead of boring old rules cards. And the mission! Oh wait, there was no mission ?

ffg could have sacrificed scale to fit the thing in the $20 blister and maybe given more incentive to buy more than one. Although I swear that it would fit just fine as is anyway. But that’s ok, I’m sure we got an extra 10 bucks worth of tokens, right?

6 hours ago, Sekac said:

FFG didn't have the foresight to create a medium base profile that's 1.5x1.5 bases. Nor did they take the opportunity when they had their chance with aggressors and then again with K-wings and punishers. Now we're kind of locked into only 2 sizes.

It's my understanding that they meaningfully deliberated this possibility, but elected to pass for reasons unknown to the general public. I would like to have been a fly on the wall at those meetings.

But flies on walls have a difficult time having their opinions heard or heeded.

I would've liked to be a big 'ol bugling elk at those meetings.

Heh, I just wanted to point out that there MAY have been good reasons that we don't have 1.5 x 1.5 baselength ships. We can surmise that at the VERY least, there were bad reasons, but reasons nonetheless.

8 hours ago, GrimmyV said:

Why 1.5 bases? 1x2 baby! Long or wide

Blast it.

I wanted to suggest this. I had been a big fan of the 1.5x1.5 bases, but recently my gaming group had been discussing this idea. The 1x2 and the 2x1 bases and we really like the idea. FFG should have had some people with some foresight and vision to imagine that not all ships should be on squares of only two sizes.

5 hours ago, Mynock Delta said:

Heh, I just wanted to point out that there MAY have been good reasons that we don't have 1.5 x 1.5 baselength ships. We can surmise that at the VERY least, there were bad reasons, but reasons nonetheless.

My guess would be that by the time Scum drooped within Brobots in tow, FFG probably forced the designers of the game to use either small or large bases due to the amount of time, effort, and resources it would take to get the production going on mass producing 1.5” bases or doublewides (scale/size testing, specials molds, different pegs, etc.).

Though, this theory is kinda bunk because they release new ships every wave and they must have an army of laborers assembling, packaging, and painting them. There seems to be no legitimate reason from a design perspective as to why a medium base did not work, other than the “it-doesn’t-fit-the-grid-of-the-game” sort of argument.

I looked at my K-Wings, ARCs, and Silencers tonight for game night and I just sighed at the missed opportunity.

Where's the TIE Punisher?