First a big happy friday friends,

Two thoughts have been rolling around in my head this week and I cant help but think there tied into each other and it brought me to this question. First If you don't play Demon Souls / Dark Souls/Bloodborne (Nioh is along the same line) there are excellent games known for being tough and challenging the player, they are also in a sense unfair at times. A small variance in a jump or attack / a frame rate hiccup can lead to you dying. I am by no means a good player at these games but I do have a Plat Trophy for Bloodborne (meaning I have achieved every standard the developer set) I have beaten each game many times and next year I look forward to becoming a One Bro (never leveling once and beating the game) I say everything not to get a pat on my back but there is a mindset that people who play Dark Souls (aka Souls games/type of souls game) that the odds will be stacked against me and will be what is seemed to be unfair but through skill and stragty I will overcome something that 95% of people quit. Currently in x-wing I want to be a better gunboat player because they are a imp swarm which I have fallen in love with, do I think they will win worlds NO do I think they are disadvantaged Sure, but do I think my will to play them will be broken Not A Chance. Every game for me going forward is figuring out the puzzle before me, taking what I have and doing better each time until I win. In this is my thought and point, If we approached X-wing like Dark Souls would the game and community be different?

I think so.

Good luck this weekend. Shout out to Ryan Farmer, Chris Allen, Paul Heaver, Nathan Iv (thanks for wrecking me on stream), Duncan, Hornet Doc, Zac Matthews and so many others I have gotten to meet over the last two week. I am enjoying this game more today then before to my local player buddy Kyle, you are amazing, Jim and Biff I cant express how much you both are outstanding, To FFG Wade thanks for entertaining my stupid questions, To Coach you are a great person, Gold Squadron THANK YOU FOR STREAMING. Thank you Mrs Cuban for giving me up for a weekend of stupid.

Last Gunboats are this to me right now "Yet another stands before us... Then so be it. For the curse of life, is the curse of want. And so, you peer Into the fog, in hope of answers."

CHEERIO,

Tim

Fairness in a single-player game is pretty different than fairness in a multi-player game.

4 minutes ago, kraedin said:

Fairness in a single-player game is pretty different than fairness in a multi-player game.

I have crash onto a rock when playing against myself soooooo maybe not... :-)

Happy Friday to you to Cuban!

This is exactly how I like to think I can approach the game and its ultimately what keeps me coming back.

I still have lots of strong opinions about what "feels" fun to play and play against...everyone does, everyone should.

But once ships are on the table and the dice starts to roll I like to try and dial in that boss fight mentality as much as possible.

The most interesting parts of X-Wing exist after you have started to really truly understand how your list works and what a good or bad decision actually looks like.

Works from both angles...what you play and what you play against.

Heh, as a mediocre Souls player I have to say...

...I really like this theoretical mindset. <salute> Cubanboy

I've never played Dark Souls, but I've watched friends play. It looks tedious and repetitive.

If X-wing were more like those games, I would neither play nor watch friends play X-wing.

Happy Friday!!

While I do think there are elements of perseverance to be learned from the Dark Souls community, I have to agree with @kraedin that balancing a single player game and a game based on 1x1 matches is different enough that a one to one comparison isn't really practical.

See here I was thinking this would be about the abysmal Dark Souls board game (which also further proves that what works in a single-player video game doesn't always translate well to the table top).

Happy Friday, CB!

I'm pretty sure that the last computer game I bought wouldn't be recognised by most of the people here, so I'll just say good night.

Forgot to ask, how did you make out in the tourney you went to?

Have you been channeling my sarcasm, CB?

I'll echo several people above in saying that there's a significantly different feeling when there's is an asymmetric level of fairness vs a computer as compared to vs another player. On top of that the overall game and its format is premised on the idea that it is fair. Whereas Dark Souls promises you up front that it won't be fair X-Wing tells you that it will be. That makes it all the more jarring when you find out that, at times, it's a lie.

There's also the matter of time and frequency. Would Dark Souls players still persevere if they could only play once a week? Could only attempt to fight a boss once every couple of months? When a bit of unfairness causes you to lose 30 minutes that's OK, when it ends your chance to play for a much longer period of time that's a different story. This also factors into the learning aspect, even in defeat in a Souls game you learn a bit more. But in X-Wing there's a good chance that those lessons are largely wasted since by the time the next big event comes around the meta will have shifted and you'll be playing a completely different "boss"

Having said that it's a good attitude to have when you setup against a list that hard counters your own, or your on tilt after a grueling loss. You'll likely lose but there's no reason not to try, not to see if you can squeeze through that sliver of variance that lets you come out on top. I just don't think it should be used to excuse systemic imbalances in a game that was presumably intended and certainly presented as at least mostly balanced.

Congrats, you like to play your way. You can win a game, loose a game, but you'll never loose your time. Keep having fun, this is a game after all. Close defeats and hard wins are way more rewarding than wins with no risks. And yes, some times it is unfaire.

3 hours ago, Stoneface said:

Happy Friday, CB!

I'm pretty sure that the last computer game I bought wouldn't be recognised by most of the people here, so I'll just say good night.

Forgot to ask, how did you make out in the tourney you went to?

2-3 I need much work at gun boats