1 minute ago, CommanderBurnham said:

"They are able to say things without the government imprisoning them for saying those things"

Is a pretty low bar to clear, ethically speaking.

Meh, whatever. For me, free speech includes not having speech judged by self-appointed ethics police.

I think society would be a lot better off not looking to be offended all day long. In the end, words only have the power you allow them to have over you.

But then, as I said, it works for me. I'm moving on now. I'm not going to waste my time on the podcast or even discussions of it. I've got plastic spaceships to game with - a much better way to waste my time!

Have a great day!

Will you guys make T-shirts, hats, or something you can wear with your podcast name on it and wear them to every Armada Event, nay, EVERYWHERE?! I think everyone would benefit from knowing exactly who the minds behind this masterpiece are.

1 hour ago, Mundo said:

As a side note, the average Armada player is a male nerd in the 20s-30s-40s. I don’t think there are many females who play the game period, never mind who listen to obscure podcasts on the topic. I don’t think this podcast will make one iota of difference to that.

This is a pretty problematic way to look at it. I strongly agree with @GiledPallaeon's and @CommanderBurnham's excellent points, and would like to add one more:

Even if there were no women (or anyone else directly targeted by those types of comments) listening (which, again, is not the case), that doesn't mean it's suddenly ok. This kind of language can reinforce harmful ideas that affect our behaviour, and that's bad no matter who's there to hear it. I want no part in some boys' club that thinks it's cool to make degrading comments about women as long as you don't get caught.

To be clear, I don't mean to suggest that my disapproval of this stuff is more important than the experience of those who actually have to deal with that type of bull**** every day. Just saying that it's not ok when it's just among guys either.

36 minutes ago, Thalomen said:

Meh, whatever. For me, free speech includes not having speech judged by self-appointed ethics police.

I think society would be a lot better off not looking to be offended all day long. In the end, words only have the power you allow them to have over you.

But then, as I said, it works for me. I'm moving on now. I'm not going to waste my time on the podcast or even discussions of it. I've got plastic spaceships to game with - a much better way to waste my time!

Have a great day!

Eeesh. This is all kinds of dumb. You have the right to speak your mind, sure. You aren't immune to criticism for the stupid things you say. This is something people don't seem to get when it comes to the idea of "free speech". Sure, you can giggle and say "LOL a one man fighter can penetrate princess Leia LOL." You absolutely have that right. And others have the right to say "That's childish and makes you sound like a prick."

You can't then counter with "Wow you guys get offender too easily." The podcast is full of crude and stupid humor, much of which is derisive to women. People are commenting on that. But Muh Free Speech! applies to them too.

53 minutes ago, Thalomen said:

Meh, whatever. For me, free speech includes not having speech judged by self-appointed ethics police.

Free speech is about the ability to openly discuss ideas and concepts without being punished by a governing body for discussing those topics. Not for being immune from valid criticism by your peers or dealing with the fallout of holding objectionable opinions.

On 2/7/2018 at 5:00 PM, DragonReborn said:

Podcast is rated M for mature, because we’re immature, and that’s not going to <REDACTED><REDACTED> change. AT ALL.

Insofar as the 2nd episode of ORJ went, I think my objections were largely the same as they were with the first one: the vulgarity was there just to showcase the edgelord vibes and only served to obscure the more interesting discussion of the actual game. Also, frankly, the end song needs to go. It was funny the first time in an "oh wow they really tripled down on this crap" way, but the second time just really highlighted how much content is being tossed aside in favor of dirty jokes.

The worst part of all of this is that your discussions about the actual game are so spot on. You've really managed to identify great areas of discussion and give solid insights to ideas about the state of the game and how to approach some of the game's more difficult challenges. But it's all buried under a pile of obscene jokes and edgy humor.

2 hours ago, geek19 said:

Yes, why SHOULD we cater to people who might want to join the community or be interested in our hobby, or the ones who currently DO exist in the community? I'm not a woman, so who cares if what I say is offensive, just learn to deal with it, brah!

Me and my friends look a certain way physically, so what's stopping us from making jokes about those who look different from me or act differently from me? Your argument is BAD.

You are indeed, correct. And that third paragraph of my post on reflection is not a helpful observation. I apologise.

However the first two points of my post hold. It’s their output for no gain, so I take it or leave it. But it probably doesn’t really need all of the R-rated stuff anyway.

30 minutes ago, Mundo said:

You are indeed, correct. And that third paragraph of my post on reflection is not a helpful observation. I apologise.

However the first two points of my post hold. It’s their output for no gain, so I take it or leave it. But it probably doesn’t really need all of the R-rated stuff anyway.

First point- no, there are more than two options, "take it or leave it". "Listen and then call out childish and sexist behavior" is the one I'm taking.

Second point- the fact that you find their humor very funny isn't exactly something to be super proud about, buddy.

Because of the confusion, these are the points that you were referring to.

"Each to their own. The guys who make this do it for fun, and no financial gain. If you don’t like it, fair enough - don’t listen. Fewer subscribers, same money!

I personally like the Armada content, the jokes make me laugh - does it need all of the R-rated content to make it a good podcast? Probably not. But I will continue to listen and enjoy."

26 minutes ago, Mundo said:

You are indeed, correct. And that third paragraph of my post on reflection is not a helpful observation. I apologise.

However the first two points of my post hold. It’s their output for no gain, so I take it or leave it. But it probably doesn’t really need all of the R-rated stuff anyway.

First, thanks for apologizing. My tone was not as calm as @GiledPallaeon, but I appreciate you getting the message I was trying to convey.

Second, I have to agree somewhat with you, in that I don't have to listen if I don't want to, but I also agree with @CommanderBurnham, in that calling them out is another (and in my opinion, right) reaction. If something is created for the community but is actively harming it, by both insulting its members and preventing it from growing, that's where I take issue with it. I don't want the forums devolving into "who can be more misogynistic?"

Never change guys. Yours is my favorite Armada podcast since the Flesh Star Destroyer was lost. I didn't realize how many prudes there were here.

The warrior who knows his path does not have to prove himself to others.

13 minutes ago, Varyag said:

Never change guys. Yours is my favorite Armada podcast since the Flesh Star Destroyer was lost. I didn't realize how many prudes there were here.

The warrior who knows his path does not have to prove himself to others.

I don't know about other posters being upset, but I know for sure I'm not a prude. I just care about keeping spaces comfortable for others, it's a pretty common courtesy.

Sorry if I'm replying to much, but there is a lot to respond to in this thread

Just now, CommanderBurnham said:

Sorry if I'm replying to much, but there is a lot to respond to in this thread

You're not going to get any objection from me or a number of others.

Reading the comments and having chosen, due to its presentation, not to listen to the podcast, I still have a few thoughts.

1) I am saddened that there is Armada content out there to which I will not have access because I don't want to listen to either 1)immature humor or 2)misogyny (since no one from the podcast has contradicted these claims I take them as a part of the podcast).

2) We cannot separate what we say in "private" spheres from what we say/do in public spheres. "Out of the mouth the heart speaks" and all that. Further, acceptance by the community of discussions which denigrate 50% of the world's population would speak quite poorly of that community. It would be akin to male employees who feel ok with simply not actively taking part in harassment in an organization in which women are sexually harassed or sexualized.

3) The podcast makers absolutely have freedom to make their podcast in any way they choose. However, others have freedom to state how they feel about said podcast and FFG has the right to restrict advertisement of that podcast if they so wished. It is not an "ethics police" as one poster suggested to state that one believes another's actions have a detrimental effect on others.

4) With all this in mind, the podcast producers have to consider why they make the podcast. If it is to benefit the larger community, then they might take out the misogynistic aspects and, less importantly, some of the other immature humor. If, however, this is simply an exercise in self-pleasure, then they can remain as currently and it truly doesn't matter if anyone at all listens.

I, personally, hope they choose the former because I would love to listen to great content.

EDIT: I would also like to thank Emperor Dane for his well-stated response to criticism. I think that shows a great amount of care for the community.

52 minutes ago, Varyag said:

Never change guys. Yours is my favorite Armada podcast since the Flesh Star Destroyer was lost. I didn't realize how many prudes there were here.

The warrior who knows his path does not have to prove himself to others.

Get this guy a shirt or hat too.

“... What’s Free Speech?”

... doesn’t exist where I grew up.

27 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

“... What’s Free Speech?”

... doesn’t exist where I grew up.

Come on Dras.

We don’t have a bill of rights but the High Court ruled before I was born that it’s an implied right conferred by the Australian Constitution.

In agreement with other comments though, free speech (in whatever form it takes) doesn’t mean freedom from criticism.

You can say whatever you want, but just as validly someone can call you a whanker for saying it.

5 hours ago, Captain Weather said:

Come on Dras.

We don’t have a bill of rights but the High Court ruled before I was born that it’s an implied right conferred by the Australian Constitution.

In agreement with other comments though, free speech (in whatever form it takes) doesn’t mean freedom from criticism.

You can say whatever you want, but just as validly someone can call you a whanker for saying it.

Yeah, and I also lived to see the Liberals under Howard revoke half of that given right with new Guidelines on Sedition and vilification...

So I’m jaded.

9 hours ago, Captain Weather said:

whanker

Proof I'm an American: thought that was spelled without a h. Live and learn.