I know that the scale is different and that you need the cards to build a list. But let's say I own 2 AT-STs, 12 stormtroopers, 3 officers, and Darth Vader in Imperial assault. If I proxied the cards and used another person's core set stuff, would I be able to play a game? or would the scale difference or something else significantly affect gameplay?

3 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

I know that the scale is different and that you need the cards to build a list. But let's say I own 2 AT-STs, 12 stormtroopers, 3 officers, and Darth Vader in Imperial assault. If I proxied the cards and used another person's core set stuff, would I be able to play a game? or would the scale difference or something else significantly affect gameplay?

Not trying to be glib, but you can do whatever you want! Scale difference of a couple mm shouldn't matter from what we know so far.

Wondering more about game mechanics and less about moral approval. I haven't been keeping up with all the spoiler articles and I don't think the rulebook has been spoiled yet, so I thought maybe you guys have been following closely along and would know of any gameplay limitations on basically proxying an entire army with only a single core set.

one thing is the bases of the AT-ST won't have the slot for the movement ruler

2x at-sts and vader alone is 600/800 points not including upgrades. The 12 stormies plus 3 officers could be your 3 stormtrooper squads with 5 minis each, roughly 55 points each. I think you have yourself a list. Just print out the cards and youll be set.. besides the atst base thing.. youd have to see what you can do there

the vehicle bases also need to be quartered off for weapon arcs. My suggestion would be to get 80/100mm(cant remember which) 3rd party GW bases and mark/alter them to work.

Other than that use Weaton's Law when deciding los/cover because you're using smaller mini's and you should be golden.

1 hour ago, Ralgon said:

the vehicle bases also need to be quartered off for weapon arcs. My suggestion would be to get 80/100mm(cant remember which) 3rd party GW bases and mark/alter them to work.

Other than that use Weaton's Law when deciding los/cover because you're using smaller mini's and you should be golden.

The problem with the AT-ST is probably more in not having a spot to insert the movement tool without modification/marking of the base. Weapon arcs can be determined by model facing, especially as AT-STs are square, and I believe the models are not at an angle.

Just paint the movement slot on. Measure ALL hits to center of base of miniatures

Gotta love house rules

Core Set:

Kayn Somos and Imperial Officer = Stormtrooper Unit Leader

Heavy Stormtrooper = DLT-19 Stormtrooper

Heavy Stormtrooper with marking = HH-12 Stormtrooper

Jyn Odan and Mak Eshka-rey = Rebel Trooper Unit Leader

Rebel Saboteur = MPL-57 Ion Trooper

Fenn Signis and Biv Bodhrik = Z-6 Trooper

Fleet Trooper = Rebel Troopers

I used WOTC vehicles and a handful of IA guys (combined with a painted SWL core set) to proxy my first couple 800 point armies so we could have some full sized games in living Technicolor. It played just fine. Just be cool with guesstimating your vehicle ruler placement and firing arcs. Technically EVERYTHING in D6 had a fire arc like SWL notched bases and there was no rule about marking off the bases, you just were a smart enough human being to deal with it.

The movement will be a bit weird with the vehicles but you'll figure it out. To be clear I don't actually place a movement tool "in" any of the notches on my bases. FFG made them so narrow that just painting the base means the tool won't fit anymore.

Yes, it will alter the game mechanics. Probably not enough to influence the outcome of the game though. Normal human errors in any given game will alter the outcome more than using some figures on oddball shaped bases will. This is one reason why I never got into Warmachine...

Some units it would be okay, others though are much more problematic.

The IA AT-ST/AT-DP are half the size of the Legion AT-ST. That's going to have an impact on the game.

For most troopers I'd suggest you use sticky tack to mount the IA model on a legion sized base for movement purposes, it will also address some of the height issues.

So for us, using Imperial Assault figures isn't about proxying miniatures and trying to play the game in Legion's oddball 1/46 scale. Rather, we want to play it in the standard GW/Privateer Press/Bolt Action scale, which is around 1/56.

As a proof of concept, I've made some bases that will fit around an IA base and match up to Legion's trooper base of 3mm x 27mm. However upon realization that we want to stay in IA's scale, it doesn't make sense to convert them. I've also modeled and printed some new vehicle bases that include the movement notch, but their diameters are 20% smaller, so they are 40mm and 56mm vs. the 50 mm for speeders and 70mm for the AT-RT.

The terrain we're playing on will all be in IA scale, so the issue of the shorty IA AT-ST is not as pronounced. Granted, the IA AT-ST is crouching and not representative of it's full height. But since everyone will be using IA figures, everyone will suffer from the same handicap. Unless, of course someone chooses to mount their IA AT-ST on top of a giant rock. But I don't think that's allowed either, even when using the OEM Legion figures, is it?

they did state at one point you can swap out minis but the bases have to be the same diameter and height and shape as what comes with the base game (Legion). so you can uses what ever models you really like as long as it doesn't change the general height/ concept of the minis. so you can print a 3d zombie stormies if you want. just check in with the local TO to see if they have a problem with the mini being used before using it. remember:

IT'S SAFER TO ASK FIRST AND DO AS TOLD THEN TO ASSUME AND BE WRONG LATER.
also bring the normal minis along too (i know it can be a pain in the butt) just in case the local TO says no to your request.

4 hours ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

they did state at one point you can swap out minis but the bases have to be the same diameter and height and shape as what comes with the base game (Legion). so you can uses what ever models you really like as long as it doesn't change the general height/ concept of the minis. so you can print a 3d zombie stormies if you want. just check in with the local TO to see if they have a problem with the mini being used before using it. remember:

IT'S SAFER TO ASK FIRST AND DO AS TOLD THEN TO ASSUME AND BE WRONG LATER.
also bring the normal minis along too (i know it can be a pain in the butt) just in case the local TO says no to your request.

Is this actually true? Because if so I would buy e-webs and swap the snow troopers for stormtroopers.

52 minutes ago, Stormtrooper721 said:

Is this actually true? Because if so I would buy e-webs and swap the snow troopers for stormtroopers.

This is the first I’ve heard of it; who is they?

For what it’s worth, the documents say no major modifications.

they = alex davy
and also the tournment rules do outline the modification rules
you always want to clear it with your TO/Marshal to see if they allow the mini in

and the IA minis are on average around 33mm while most of the legion stuff is taller
that being said for local fun games the player your playing shouldn't have a issue unless your using the at-st model which looking at it is way shorter then the legion one.

-I just wanna say that I play this game on a budget and only buy Rebel stuff (though Boba Fett looks tempting).

I use Imperial Assault stuff for the empire mainly but also for stuff I dont own on the Rebel side. Used the wookies, fleet troopers before I got the real models.

Works really great, though I only play against my brothers when they visit so very casual.

If you can be casual and and cool about it then it will offer no problem at all.

16 hours ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

IT'S SAFER TO ASK FIRST AND DO AS TOLD THEN TO ASSUME AND BE WRONG LATER.

Authoritarian personality much? We're talking about a wargame here, not storage procedures for neurotoxins.

We don't all crave corporate approval to make us feel legitimized for playing games of Space Dolls. I am a 37 year old who loves toys, if someone has a problem with it they can take a long walk on a short dock.

TvBoy never said they're playing on the local tournament circuit. In fact, [game outcome and not what's official] was his specific question.

Based on my actual experience of proxying non-Legion minis to test drive the rules, it works out fine. If it gets really clunky, I'd trace carboard notched bases, paint them to match my IA vehicles and blue tac-them on for a game. I never felt the need to do this but it wasn't too many games in before I'd painted some more official Legion stuff. Once I had 800 points per side I stopped proxying and haven't looked back. It's not as hard or expensive as you might think and if you PM me that's a whole other subject we can discuss.

There's a whole stable of rulebooks out there with no official miniatures line or even official base sizes. And yet somehow people manage to play them to a satisfactory conclusion. Other companies produce miniatures lines never knowing which rules their figures will be paired up with, and yet, they sell. These people must be cRaZy...

I'd play you tvboy. You could use 40k minis or whatever as long as it was easy to figure out who was who. I think the IA are close enough that you could grab the rules and play a few games and figure out if you like it before jumping into the full swing of things. At some point, you may be tempted to buy Legion figures though. warning

And a money saving tip for tinkering with your first lists: It only takes 4 models to make a legal squad. If you acquire 4 of the same corps unit, you can actually field 5 minimum sized squads by "poaching" the spare trooper from each of them. They don't even have to be "minimum" sized per se: you'll still be able to throw a heavy weapons trooper onto all squads. As long as you don't care that you won't be able to put down 5 of the same heavy weapon.

Just going by the IA stormtroopers, if you put them on legion bases they are a pretty much perfect fit and then gives the right base diameter and brings them up to the right heigh, scale is still a little smaller but its passable