How's these been?

Are they worth it? Has anyone slapped GH or Yavaris titles off of a ship with Vader?

I tried Jyn out once and while it cost my opponent a dial to clear the raid tokens that turn it was limited. I tried out Cham for the first time the following game and he was great really screwed over the ISD. The second game he was not so useful against a small ship swarm with 1 command ships everywhere. It is rather situational between the two Jyn works better for her points against small ships while Cham is better against larger ships. I think 1 game with Jyn does not make for a good test but I will have to try her again in the future.

I have plans to try this...

Vader Raids your Ride (56/400)
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Raider II-class Corvette (48 + 8)
+ Darth Vader (3)
+ SW-7 Ion Batteries (5)

cheap and not painful if it dies, plus the SW7 keeps the raider useful after Vader jumps out the airlock to go rekt a ship. Alternatively, a raiderI version with ER could work as a hit-and-run piece, though reliability of damage is up to your black dice

I try to imagine the boarding Vader as him doing a Leia flying trick through space

@Darth Veggie Cham comments?

36 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

@Darth Veggie Cham comments?

Yeah, doesn't work ... at least on the surface.

In all my tournament games with him (six so far) I have merely used him twice. In the first one, I was merely able to change 1 dial of an ISD (because in that round the ISD has used its SFO and therefore merely 1 dial remaining). In the second one (the one against @Dr alex), I actually achieved to change two dials of an Ackbar Doom Pickle. However, the doom pickle was destroyed anyway before it activated again.

Nevertheless, it might work in another way than expected: All of my opponents have been frightened like **** by the mere existence of my Cham-HH. They avoided/targeted it like it was a BluethoothAvenger. So, maybe it has a more subtle use than the obvious one...

I plan on using Cham this weekend on my Raddus Profundity Garael's Honor drop.....

One of our locals likes to use Cham as one member of his Riekan HH MSU list. He'll use Cham's boat as a preferred blocker to hold down the target, slice the target, and ram it a couple of times while the rest of the swarm wails on the target from slightly farther back. Cham isn't essential to the strategy, but he does add a bit of synergistic meanness to it.

One thing our local organizer has observed after she tried deploying a hammerhead carrying Jyn via the Profundity is that most ships that can both carry and reliably deploy a boarding team really want a source of re-rolls (usually from ordnance experts). As a result, Jyn's hammerhead performed rather poorly apart from the one turn disruption because its external racks didn't have the re-rolls they needed.

I suspect that in general, boarding teams are going to be most successful when the ship carrying them has an alternative source of re-rolls. Of the carriers so far, the MC75 Armored Cruiser, ISD I, and ISD-K can use leading shots instead, and hammerhead swarms can use task force Organa. I suspect if we see non-Avenger boarding strategies work, it will be on those platforms. However, boarding effects designed to cripple instead of force multiply a shot seem to want cheaper small ships as delivery mechanisms, which means Vader is probably going to be waiting for a ride for the time being. Muelmuel's SW7 Raider is probably the best chassis you can get, but it's 9 points (pre-Vader) more expensive than the mostly superior SW7 CR-90, and we're not exactly swimming in those.

So as a follow up what commands do you give the Star Destroyer in question if using Cham? What Raid token should Jyn give?

When I used Cham I choose Squadron as either the ship had a squadron value as of 1 or had a light screen. If they had a bomber/fighter heavy list I think I would choose Con fire while it improves damage output it prevents repair from my shots and prevents getting out of dodge with Nav.

With Jyn I choose both Engineering and Nav.

9 minutes ago, jamie nasmyth said:

So as a follow up what commands do you give the Star Destroyer in question? I choose Squadron as either the ship had a squadron value as of 1 or had a light screen in both my games I used Cham. If they had a bomber/fighter heavy list I think I would choose Con fire while it improves damage output it prevents repair from my shots and prevents getting out of dodge with Nav

Depends on the situation (applying my experience with slicer tools). Early in the game, your opponent is likely to already have a navigation token, so a pointless navigation command doesn't help much. It's also of limited use if the ship is stuck in a traffic jam. Engineering is usually the wrong choice, but can work if you've written off killing that ship or you know the ship isn't going to take damage before the command shows up. Concentrate fire may be the least powerful command on a large ship, but It's also one they will almost certainly be able to use. In general I feel slicer tools and Cham are at their best when your opponent either really needs a squadron command, or really doesn't need a squadron command.

4 minutes ago, Squark said:

Slicer Tools are at their best when your opponent.... really doesn't need a squadron command.

Are you telling me that all those times I had Demolisher command squadrons it really DIDN'T dream of always being a carrier? Well I feel foolish then.

13 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Are you telling me that all those times I had Demolisher command squadrons it really DIDN'T dream of always being a carrier? Well I feel foolish then.

With sloane can be a nightmare!

5 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

How's these been?

Are they worth it? Has anyone slapped GH or Yavaris titles off of a ship with Vader?

I went to a 2-round mini tournament last weekend with Vader BT aboard a Star Destroyer, and was able to use him both games. The first game he stripped an x17 off of a lightly equipped Cymoon ISD, but didn’t do much because the Cymoon died shortly after.

The second game though, I was able to strip an ECM off of a MC75. The attack roll that immediately followed netted 14 damage before defensive mods- which of course he Lando’d down to 8, but oh well. But without ECM I was able to lock down his Brace token and he was forced to eat all that damage. The MC75 took two more shots before it went down, with its Brace token locked down each time. I didn’t keep track of how much damage each of those attacks dealt, but that 3 point Vader BT card probably netted me 10+ extra damage against the MC75.

5 Stars. Would use again. Would recommend to a friend.

40 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

I went to a 2-round mini tournament last weekend with Vader BT aboard a Star Destroyer, and was able to use him both games. The first game he stripped an x17 off of a lightly equipped Cymoon ISD, but didn’t do much because the Cymoon died shortly after.

The second game though, I was able to strip an ECM off of a MC75. The attack roll that immediately followed netted 14 damage before defensive mods- which of course he Lando’d down to 8, but oh well. But without ECM I was able to lock down his Brace token and he was forced to eat all that damage. The MC75 took two more shots before it went down, with its Brace token locked down each time. I didn’t keep track of how much damage each of those attacks dealt, but that 3 point Vader BT card probably netted me 10+ extra damage against the MC75.

5 Stars. Would use again. Would recommend to a friend.

Huh. Actually, using Vader to strip defensive tech like Admonition, Lando, or defensive retrofits before a salvo would be pretty strong. Not relevant in every game, but it does seem like an alternative to boarding troopers.

Yeah my other thought was stripping ecm glad we had the same idea.

I wanna strip yavaris so much.

26 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I wanna strip yavaris so much.

That's why I like the Raider II idea, drive in fast, and force your opponent to choose between sending squadrons against the Raider, or engaging your squadrons and other ships.

Also makes Hyperspace Assault an auto include. Boom, no Yavaris title for you.

I am waiting for the chance to see a Raddus fleet get to pick Hyperspace Assault as first player.

Ok, I see your Medium ship, and raise you a large!

2 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

I wanna strip yavaris so much.

Oh myyyyy.

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Are we finding Vader used only on large ships? Or can you Raider him in too? Jyn and Vader BTs are not dependent on squad value. But I'm not sure I trust a Raider or a Hammerhead not to blow up before the start of the next round.