While its all and well for ships to have downsides and weaknesses, some ships recieved upgrades to bring new life into them(looking at vic, raider). With the mc75, it is now 3 ships on the rebel side with redirect problems(nebulon big time, for liberty a smaller problem). I dont like copy-paste upgrades, but Id like to see a redirect 'fix'.

So Im proposing a unique officer with an exhaust effect: If you exhaust it, you may use any of your defense tokens as if it was a redirect.

Its one use only per turn, similar like Needa, yet different, a bit more flexible. I think a cost of 4-5 points would be fair.

Thoughts?

Just now, Coldhands said:

While its all and well for ships to have downsides and weaknesses, some ships recieved upgrades to bring new life into them(looking at vic, raider). With the mc75, it is now 3 ships on the rebel side with redirect problems(nebulon big time, for liberty a smaller problem). I dont like copy-paste upgrades, but Id like to see a redirect 'fix'.

So Im proposing an officer with an exhaust effect: If you exhaust it, you may use any of your defense tokens as if it was a redirect.

Its one use only per turn, similar like Needa, yet different, a bit more flexible. I think a cost of 4-5 points would be fair.

Thoughts?

No, the Neb does not need to be 'fixed'

Triple cr90 evade. Yep, they totally need that. /vomit

1 minute ago, dominosfleet said:

Triple cr90 evade. Yep, they totally need that. /vomit

Dude, did you read the post, or just the title? Btw there is nothing you can do with 3 evades you cant do with 2...

1 minute ago, Coldhands said:

Dude

Dude...dude...dude

You guys do know that building inherent weaknesses into ships is part of the design process right? If there was an über ship that had everything it wanted, why would anyone take anything else? Where’s the fun in that?

10 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Dude...dude...dude

He has a point. You clearly did not actually read what he had to say.

16 minutes ago, Coldhands said:

While its all and well for ships to have downsides and weaknesses, some ships recieved upgrades to bring new life into them(looking at vic, raider). With the mc75, it is now 3 ships on the rebel side with redirect problems(nebulon big time, for liberty a smaller problem). I dont like copy-paste upgrades, but Id like to see a redirect 'fix'.

So Im proposing a unique officer with an exhaust effect: If you exhaust it, you may use any of your defense tokens as if it was a redirect.

Its one use only per turn, similar like Needa, yet different, a bit more flexible. I think a cost of 4-5 points would be fair.

Thoughts?

I've been thinking of a similar gap in the Rebel line. Redirecting is such a huge part of the game that ships almost have to have it to be worth their salt. Even having just a single redirect really hurts ships. The Liberty and the MC75 are both good examples of that. They're good ships, but are hard pressed in our current squad heavy meta.

I'd like to see a Rebel commander card that reads like this:

"While a friendly ship is defending, it may spend 1 shield to cancel 1 attack die."

It's a soft redirect with a potential for soft mitigation. Once shields are down, though, the ability is worthless. It could potentially be very powerful against MSU and squadrons because you don't have to use defense tokens to use it. Probably a 30-35 point commander.

Yeah I would like a rebel version of needa. Give me an redirect or brace. Empire get's so much fun ways to customize.

If you had to create a unique officer for that bonus redirect, you'd need to do it like Needa where it has to be planned at the start of the game. Otherwise you'd use it to "replace" useless tokens in the moment like Evades.

As for the Nebulon-B, that Double Brace is absurdly durable to most attacks. I'm really not sure that it needs the help. The CR90, Hammerhead, and Liberty (Endeavor) might really like it though.

The issue isn't unblockable redirect... It's double brace and unblockable redirect. The Neb would be tough to kill, but the Liberty would just live forever. MC75s would take advantage too.

46 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Dude...dude...dude

Very well articulated. I hadn't considered that point of view. Do you think that will impact the current state of the meta?

1 hour ago, Truthiness said:

He has a point. You clearly did not actually read what he had to say.

I've been thinking of a similar gap in the Rebel line. Redirecting is such a huge part of the game that ships almost have to have it to be worth their salt. Even having just a single redirect really hurts ships. The Liberty and the MC75 are both good examples of that. They're good ships, but are hard pressed in our current squad heavy meta.

I'd like to see a Rebel commander card that reads like this:

"While a friendly ship is defending, it may spend 1 shield to cancel 1 attack die."

It's a soft redirect with a potential for soft mitigation. Once shields are down, though, the ability is worthless. It could potentially be very powerful against MSU and squadrons because you don't have to use defense tokens to use it. Probably a 30-35 point commander.

Thats pretty powerful against critical effects.

I prefer the other option:

A unique officer that says: "You may exhaust this card during the Spend Defense Tokens step to spend one of your defense tokens as if it was a Redirect."

4pts

Been thinking this should really be a thing for Raiders and Nebs. Would be good on Liberties too.

47 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Thats pretty powerful against critical effects.

It definitely would be. That's why half baked ideas get tested =D

18 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

It definitely would be. That's why half baked ideas get tested =D

Its super important to get tested regularly.

2 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Thats pretty powerful against critical effects.

Agreed. I'd tune the cost down by 5 or so and just make it one shield for one damage. It'd be the Neb/Liberty admiral.

Though, I think that niche may have just been filled...

4 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

You guys do know that building inherent weaknesses into ships is part of the design process right? If there was an über ship that had everything it wanted, why would anyone take anything else? Where’s the fun in that?

But I want it, so it should exist?

5 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

If you had to create a unique officer for that bonus redirect, you'd need to do it like Needa where it has to be planned at the start of the game. Otherwise you'd use it to "replace" useless tokens in the moment like Evades.

As for the Nebulon-B, that Double Brace is absurdly durable to most attacks. I'm really not sure that it needs the help. The CR90, Hammerhead, and Liberty (Endeavor) might really like it though.

Yeah being able to spend any token as if it was a redirect would be a bit over the top i think. A simple swap out mechanic like needa would still make it good.

"Time for the rebel 'needa'"

"Heres our ideas, their not like needa at all really but here they are"

....... heres an idea, basically copy/paste needas card (obviously a few changes, it being rebel for start) then changing the token from an evade to a redirect.

Solved.

I mean come on guys.

Its the imperials that are suppost to be incompetent.

;P

5 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

"Time for the rebel 'needa'"

"Heres our ideas, their not like needa at all really but here they are"

....... heres an idea, basically copy/paste needas card (obviously a few changes, it being rebel for start) then changing the token from an evade to a redirect.

Solved.

Honestly, I would prefer a card that is similar to Needa, but not a copy/paste.

3 minutes ago, stonestokes said:

Honestly, I would prefer a card that is similar to Needa, but not a copy/paste.

Well after changing the token, his icon, his name.

Hes not a copy paste.

But youve got to start somewhere and lets face it, his card is the best foundation you can get.

If folks are a bit worried about cards like the Nebulon-B and LMC80 that can struggle a bit due to lack of a redirect, why not address it with a support crew upgrade? Something like:

Shield Technicians
Support team
2 points
Repair command: you gain an additional 2 engineering points that may only be used to move shields.

3 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

If folks are a bit worried about cards like the Nebulon-B and LMC80 that can struggle a bit due to lack of a redirect, why not address it with a support crew upgrade? Something like:

Shield Technicians
Support team
2 points
Repair command: you gain an additional 2 engineering points that may only be used to move shields.

Because if you have to wait for a once-a-turn repair command, if its even dialled in, its too late.

Just now, Drasnighta said:

Because if you have to wait for a once-a-turn repair command, if its even dialled in, its too late.

You could always have some kind of effect that is similar but triggers upon activation without needing a command. But you can't make it too strong because defense token suites should generally mean something, so far as I see it.