1 minute ago, DXCrazytrain said:How can you see them with all that hair? Wait, you're not one of those terrifying shaved wookies are you?
Hypo-allergenic co-pilot. New alt-art card incoming!
Writing on hands for tournaments?
Wow, thats a new low.
"I dont want my opponent to write on his hand, so he may miss some opportunities."
Gentleman, please.
It's toy space ships.
Players are part of the game, right? If so, how can something that's an integral part of a player (in this case their skin) be outside information? 
17 hours ago, Koing907 said:Oh, I'm wanting to do this at the next Regional: Spell out "Y-O-U W-I-L-L L-O-S-E" and stare at my opponent.
Now we know why there are so many Target Lock tokens...
I actually used a 5 x Harpoon/Long Range Scanners bomber squad the once.
It's not great in game but the first turn, using target locks to spell out K-A-B-OO-M next to your opponent's most important game-piece is an effective, if not exactly subtle, threat.
Might be easier to just wear color bracelets and alternate them between wrists.
Writing game-related information on one's hand is clearly against both the spirit and the letter of the rule forbidding game aides.
Now, whether or not that rule is useful or necessary is another question, but it is a rule, and as such information on one's hand is against the rules.
20 hours ago, pheaver said:From the regulations:
"Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round. However, players may reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain hidden information at any time or ask a judge for clarification from official rule documents. Official rule documents include all rules documents and inserts available on the X-Wing page of our website, those found in an X-Wing product, or any portion thereof."
It could be argued that something like taping an additional copy of Rey (or just the word Rey from the card) to the back of your hand would "reference official ... game components ... or any portion thereof". Writing Rey on your hand instead of cutting a card in half is just less wasteful.
So it's ok to have the maneuver charts for your ships?
1 hour ago, DicesonFire said:Wow, thats a new low.
"I dont want my opponent to write on his hand, so he may miss some opportunities."
Gentleman, please.
It's toy space ships.
This is a red herring. You can snub your nose at any one who would deny missed opportunities to their opponents, but the reality is that it's a common expectation (if not at this point, default expectation) in competitive X-Wing that missing a trigger will likely result in your opponent denying it. It's certainly within their rights and within the rules to do so, and arguing about personal morality is pointless on this regard, as its a game.
That being said, the rules explicitly forbid external game aides, and notes on one's hand aren't any less external than notes on cards or paper. So, regardless of the "personal morality" of denying missed triggers, the rules say NO pretty clearly on this one.
2 minutes ago, JJ48 said:So it's ok to have the maneuver charts for your ships?
Yes, those are explicitly acceptable public knowledge during games.
19 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:Writing game-related information on one's hand is clearly against both the spirit and the letter of the rule forbidding game aides.
Now, whether or not that rule is useful or necessary is another question, but it is a rule, and as such information on one's hand is against the rules.
Tokens for tracking the game state are explicitly allowed by the rules. This is why the "palp token," which is not an official or essential token, can exist in official tournaments. Whether or not the token is sitting on top of your upgrade card, or you draw Sheev on the back of your hand does not matter, as long as your opponent understands what it is used for, and you are not covering up essential information.
46 minutes ago, kris40k said:Tokens for tracking the game state are explicitly allowed by the rules.
Link?
Unless I'm missing an explicit section in the tournament document where it allows Third Party tokens beyond substitutes for the actual game tokens, I suspect Palp Tokens and C3PO tokens and all the rest are, technically, also forbidden by that rule about outside information? But, I agree, the presence of those tokens actually helps both players track the game state better and I've not ever seen anyone make a stink about it.
3 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:
Link?
Unless I'm missing an explicit section in the tournament document where it allows Third Party tokens beyond substitutes for the actual game tokens, I suspect Palp Tokens and C3PO tokens and all the rest are, technically, also forbidden by that rule about outside information? But, I agree, the presence of those tokens actually helps both players track the game state better and I've not ever seen anyone make a stink about it.
"Indicators may also be used to represent multiple tokens, or other open or derived information."
5 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:
Link?
Unless I'm missing an explicit section in the tournament document where it allows Third Party tokens beyond substitutes for the actual game tokens, I suspect Palp Tokens and C3PO tokens and all the rest are, technically, also forbidden by that rule about outside information? But, I agree, the presence of those tokens actually helps both players track the game state better and I've not ever seen anyone make a stink about it.
Section II. 2. g. Tokens
I quoted the section in my earlier reply, as well.
I once saw a guy have notes written on his hands. Got his arms ripped off for cheating. No lion.
22 hours ago, Mace Windu said:I brought this up in the rules forum a week or so ago, I'm of the opinion that it is outside material and that it shouldn't be allowed.
I don't quite agree with the rule about no outside material as it seems very draconian, but the rules are the rules.
What if it is a tattoo? Semi-Temporary (comes off in a month).
2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:Writing game-related information on one's hand is clearly against both the spirit and the letter of the rule forbidding game aides.
Now, whether or not that rule is useful or necessary is another question, but it is a rule, and as such information on one's hand is against the rules.
My wife and I have pet names for each other. I call her Rey. She calls me Gene Simmons. We sometimes write our pets names on each other when we are away for the whole day because we actually like being married and each thought of the other is a bit of sunshine when your playing toy space ships and your opponent is unhappy with life.
If you have a note written on your arm then i would allow it.
If you are writing new notes on your arm as the game progresses i will not allow that.
1 hour ago, Fuzzywookie said:I once saw a guy have notes written on his hands. Got his arms ripped off for cheating. No lion.
Are you sure they weren't ripped off because he beat a wookie?
36 minutes ago, The Penguin UK said:Are you sure they weren't ripped off because he beat a wookie?
You might be right. I was pretty wasted that night. I do remember certain body areas hurting that shouldn’t be hurting the next day.
6 hours ago, viedit said:
I am all in on this! I have a ton laying around!
7 hours ago, kris40k said:Tokens for tracking the game state are explicitly allowed by the rules. This is why the "palp token," which is not an official or essential token, can exist in official tournaments. Whether or not the token is sitting on top of your upgrade card, or you draw Sheev on the back of your hand does not matter, as long as your opponent understands what it is used for, and you are not covering up essential information.
I think 'explicitly allowed' is a stretch, the last part of that section goes on to say:
"The marshal is responsible for determining the legality of an indicator and its reasonable usage during a match if objected to by its owner’s opponent."
So if an opponent is uncomfortable with the nature of the none-regulation token they can ask for a judge to clarify the legality of said token.
In the case of Palp and 3PO using a token to denote that the ability has been used is probably fine as this is what would be classified as "Open or derived information" however if a player were to put one of these tokens on the board next to their focus token as a reminder to use the ability that's where it get murky in terms of the rules.
6 hours ago, Sephlar said:What if it is a tattoo? Semi-Temporary (comes off in a month).
I've seen this argument used 3-4 times already, I think using this argument is invalid because its not a reality that someone would ever do this to circumvent the rules.
Edited by Mace WinduSome of the posters over zealous rules mongering on this and other similar WAAC type specifics had me really nervous to go to my first store tournament. I’m really glad that in reality, the community there was awesome and I had a blast. Looking forward to my second tournament at the Michigan regional. Look forward to meeting some more great people.
Edited by Dpro
I find it greatly amusing that so many folks are deriding those people saying "Hmm, it's probably a violation of this tournament regulation" as WAAC types. Yet, the dudes writing game-hints on their **** bodies so they have external memory reminders no one else has are somehow NOT the WAAC types in this scenario...?!?
18 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:I find it greatly amusing that so many folks are deriding those people saying "Hmm, it's probably a violation of this tournament regulation" as WAAC types. Yet, the dudes writing game-hints on their **** bodies so they have external memory reminders no one else has are somehow NOT the WAAC types in this scenario...?!?
Firstly, it's a HUGE stretch of the English language to say it's in any way against the rules, RAW or RAI. Secondly, having a problem with it is VERY retentive.
THAT'S why it's being derided
Personally, I don't get enough games in to remember everything all the time. I think I'll start putting reminders on the back of my hand, to help me out and to get an edge over those who don't like it 
