Attack-as-Effect Powers?

By GottaBadFeelingAboutThis, in Imperial Assault Skirmish

I think this applies to a couple of cards, but the one that got me thinking about it is this:

Can you play the Single Purpose Command Card on Leia to re-use Battlefield Leadership to give away the other figure's attack, even though Leia herself would not be able to attack a second time? In a way, it strikes me as similar to Onar using "To the Limit" even though he's unable to become stunned.

I know that's fairly situational, but with the rebel meta increasingly looking for multiple attacks out of their solitary big hitters (Han, Chewie, Drokatta), it feels like a fun option. Three Shrapnel surges out of Drokatta, anyone?

I suppose other examples would be whether Jarrod can use Leaping Slash to jump two spaces (say, if his movement points were maxed out from holding crates on the Jabba mission), or the Nexu's Pounce ability.

While I'm messing around in the Spy meta, is there a "Start of Round" on Round One? For things like Stall for Time?

Battlefield leadership says "perform an attack. Then choose [...]". Since it doesn't specify "You may" as a condition not to connect the two parts of the effects, i'd say you can't use Leia's skill with Single Purpose if Leia ain't able to attack anymore. The same goes with the skill chosen figure, since each figure can perform one attack per round. Same with Jarrod, because the term "perform an attack" is a keyword that consumes that specific action for the current round, and you couldn't use Single Purpose on Brutality neither (Vader pre-fix). In order to work properly, you can use Single Purpose on skills that either have no keywords or have multiple use keywords.

25 minutes ago, GottaBadFeelingAboutThis said:

While I'm messing around in the Spy meta, is there a "Start of Round" on Round One? For things like Stall for Time?

Yes, there is a start around on round 1. Generally though people do not play any abilities there because they will be more effective later in the game.

5 minutes ago, erlucius90 said:

since each figure can perform one attack per round

Pretty sure it's "Each figure may use one action to attack during its activation." Otherwise things like Rogue Smuggler, Driven by Hate, Battlefield Leadership, Executive Order, etc. wouldn't work. Jedi Luke gets around it by "attacking without using an action," etc.

Which returns me to my original question. Erlucius seems to be saying if there's no attack from Leia the second time around, there can't be any "then" clause after said attack. That jives with my general sense of the rules, but I remain curious about this one.

Otherwise I'll be Single Purpose'ing Gideon's Tactical Manuever to shove some other leader up to Drokatta so I can use New Orders.

14 hours ago, GottaBadFeelingAboutThis said:

Pretty sure it's "Each figure may use one action to attack during its activation." Otherwise things like Rogue Smuggler, Driven by Hate, Battlefield Leadership, Executive Order, etc. wouldn't work. Jedi Luke gets around it by "attacking without using an action," etc.

Correct, that's what i was intending when i was saying that each figure can perform only 1 attack per round, with just one correction:

Battlefield Leadership doesn't work like DBH, RS or EO, because it's strictly conditioned by the attack keyword. Therefore, you can't attack 1st and then use BL to perform another attack.

The skill text difference in BL which makes me say that you can't skip part 1 to resolve part 2 is that, unlike the other texts, there is no "you may" and you cannot skip to attack just like you do by performing a move. Therefore, in that case you have to perform an attack, then (after the attack resolves) you have satisfied the first part of the skill and can move on with the second. If you can't afford to perform the attack, you have no skill condition to actually perform the second part of the skill.

Edited by erlucius90

Battlefield Leadership contains performing an attack. Single Purpose does not allow to get around the only-one-action-containing-attacks-per-activation limit of non-heroes (everyone in skirmish).

You simply can't spend an action to perform another action containing attacks. There is no limit in the number of attacks, so if you could start the special action, you could perform an attack. But you can't.

Edited by a1bert
3 hours ago, a1bert said:

There is no limit in the number of attacks, so if you could start the special action, you could perform an attack.

Thanks a1bert -- this feels like the right ruling to me (that you cannot begin any action that would require you to make an attack), and I think that's the same principle erlucius is trying to get at above.

Erlucius -- I still think an EOfficer could attack and then use Executive Order to cause another figure to attack: they'd only be using one action to perform an attack themselves. But that's beyond the question I'm worried about here!

Executive Order does not allow the Imperial Officer to attack, so it is not counted towards his attack action limit.

25 minutes ago, GottaBadFeelingAboutThis said:

Erlucius -- I still think an EOfficer could attack and then use Executive Order to cause another figure to attack: they'd only be using one action to perform an attack themselves. But that's beyond the question I'm worried about here!

Oh you made me just notice i mispelled EO with BL, i was talking about BL actually (i corrected my text).
You can use the eOfficer to attack and then use EO on a friendly figure, sure thing!
I was saying that you cannot attack with leia 1st and then use BL to attack again >.<

Edited by erlucius90