On 30.1.2018 at 6:58 PM, Virgil Cain said:

Rebels have taken care of Death Troopers only being with Krennic so we should get them regardless.

Even the Rogue One Visual Guide states that they are an elite unit of the Tarkin Initiative and not only one person. Protecting key personnel like Krennic is just one of their tasks like protecting more important items, huge kyber crystalls for example. Since the Tarkin Initiative does a lot of stuff that not much people are supposed to know about, I guess they are also big in the obduction and assassination business.

Generic commander pack would be nice, i totally understand why it wasnt first choice for marketing but i would love a customizable commander mini.

2 hours ago, oddeye said:

Generic commander pack would be nice, i totally understand why it wasnt first choice for marketing but i would love a customizable commander mini.

Customizable does not really seem to be the way these minis are going though. We have no option even mixing and matching arms, heads, and torsos within units, or different poses for the hero characters without extensive cutting, gluing, and greenstuff work. Unlike with other miniature wargames, the unit's weapons are specified on their card, so customization of arms and equipment is unlikely.

Heck at this point we don't even know if the Commander slot will ever be filled with anything other than a named character. Judging by Armada, which requires a named Admiral, they may release FFG original characters as Commanders, but not "Rebel officer" and "Imperial Officer."

Wicket

C3PO

and ewok troops

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Customizable does not really seem to be the way these minis are going though. We have no option even mixing and matching arms, heads, and torsos within units, or different poses for the hero characters without extensive cutting, gluing, and greenstuff work. Unlike with other miniature wargames, the unit's weapons are specified on their card, so customization of arms and equipment is unlikely.

Heck at this point we don't even know if the Commander slot will ever be filled with anything other than a named character. Judging by Armada, which requires a named Admiral, they may release FFG original characters as Commanders, but not "Rebel officer" and "Imperial Officer."

We will have such a wide range of commanders in a year or two that really you could just proxy in a rebel officer mini and use another commanders card. Do you want an inspiring Commander? Use the Leia card. Do you want a commander with tricks up his sleeve? Use the general Calrissian card. Etc.

8 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Customizable does not really seem to be the way these minis are going though.

Who's to say, wave 2 may be heavy weapons teams that can be used as a unit by themselves or individuals added to a normal unit and have the card included.

A lot of wargames start with limited pose/snapfit type models just for ease of manufacture and to get the product out there, then customer pressure drives later work to make better kits allowing customizing. If the game does well, I would be surprised in two years or so if there were not industry standard kits with multi-arm poses, bodies and heads. For an IP as diverse as SW, it would be a crime not to.

1 hour ago, Amanal said:

Who's to say, wave 2 may be heavy weapons teams that can be used as a unit by themselves or individuals added to a normal unit and have the card included.

What I meant was a mini that could be made in multiple poses easily. I hope for this sort of flexibility in army building, especially as the Specialist and Trooper cards revealed specify what sort of unit they can be added to, which leaves open the possibility of ones that say something like "Stormtrooper or Snowtrooper only" or "Rebel or Fleet trooper only."

20 minutes ago, Col. Dash said:

A lot of wargames start with limited pose/snapfit type models just for ease of manufacture and to get the product out there, then customer pressure drives later work to make better kits allowing customizing. If the game does well, I would be surprised in two years or so if there were not industry standard kits with multi-arm poses, bodies and heads. For an IP as diverse as SW, it would be a crime not to.

So Warmahordes still using single pose models 15 years later is a fluke? How about the recent inclusion of "Easy to Build" models from Games Workshop? Push fit, single pose models are much easier to sculpt as you don't need to come up with different natural looking poses while using the same torso, and there's no need to include sprues in the packaging so the "waste" plastic can be melted back down and used in another model. No extra arms/heads that have to be paid for, no worrying about making sure different shaped heads can be glued at natural looking angles, and overwhelmingly every model/unit can be recognized on pose alone.

Vice Admiral Holdo. Think of the fabulous color combinations.

Hondo!! If we ever get pirates!

2 minutes ago, DelGriffen said:

Hondo!! If we ever get pirates!

Even if we DON'T get pirates.

Oh god, I just realized that I need the Inquisitor to be in this game with a saber copter ability so he can fly all over the map.

Push fit was the get the stuff out there product for both cheapness and newbies. Note, that they now have multi-part boxes of those same models with more options released several months later. Couldn't tell you about the warmahorde thing. Havent seen anything about that game in years and didn't know it was still around. That was actually one of my biggest problems with the game aside from the power gamer/WAAC type people it attracted, and it never really kicked off in the geographical areas I have lived in.

37 minutes ago, Col. Dash said:

Push fit was the get the stuff out there product for both cheapness and newbies. Note, that they now have multi-part boxes of those same models with more options released several months later. Couldn't tell you about the warmahorde thing. Havent seen anything about that game in years and didn't know it was still around. That was actually one of my biggest problems with the game aside from the power gamer/WAAC type people it attracted, and it never really kicked off in the geographical areas I have lived in.

The Space Marine Easy to Build pushfits had been released as separate boxes well AFTER the multi-part kits were released and available. When can we expect Necromundia models that aren't single pose? Or plastic Sisters of Battle that fans have been asking for? When should I expect the multi-part Blood bowl minis? They already had basic multi-part designs for each of the races that could have been used to make the models, but instead they went with push-fits.

Why should FFG switch from the cheaper/easier single pose push fit design on a product that is the closest to printing money they can get without an investigation by the Secret Service? If it's good enough to convey the intended unit and sells, why redesign it? Their money is better invested in making new designs, new models, and new units. Not to mention the time of Disney's approvals department. IF they even CAN make multipart models owing to their license with Disney. Disney could have specifically wanted them to make minis that were not of a similar scale to pre-existing lines, and to make the models single pose as a way of controlling the appearance of their brand.

22 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Why should FFG switch from the cheaper/easier single pose push fit design on a product that is the closest to printing money they can get without an investigation by the Secret Service?

That’s a solid line.

2 hours ago, KalEl814 said:

That’s a solid line.

Very solid. Ima steal that and use it for my own stuff if anyone ever says anything against Legion i will bring this up

6 minutes ago, Jabby said:

Very solid. Ima steal that and use it for my own stuff if anyone ever says anything against Legion i will bring this up

Darn, knew I should have copywritten it when I had the chance.

On 1/31/2018 at 6:26 PM, KalEl814 said:

Oh god, I just realized that I need the Inquisitor to be in this game with a saber copter ability so he can fly all over the map.

You like easy build, I like customizing. Whatever works for you. The hobby is 50+% of the game for me and I will likely never play in a tournament without hobby scores. Further I was talking about the new GW stuff not the years old push fit crap that really was mono-pose crap meant to teach new people how to paint without breaking the bank. Once the newer initial primaris pushfit, limited option stuff came out, a few months later the better detailed multi-part kits came out and have sold like hot cakes. Options are needed to prevent staleness. Are FFG's storm trooper models throwing grenades? Storm troopers using DL19s? If so, what if I don't want to use multiples of those in every squad? Stormtroopers already look the same, I don't want the exact same pose in every squad.

On 1/30/2018 at 10:11 PM, Caimheul1313 said:

Customizable does not really seem to be the way these minis are going though. We have no option even mixing and matching arms, heads, and torsos within units, or different poses for the hero characters without extensive cutting, gluing, and greenstuff work. Unlike with other miniature wargames, the unit's weapons are specified on their card, so customization of arms and equipment is unlikely.

Heck at this point we don't even know if the Commander slot will ever be filled with anything other than a named character. Judging by Armada, which requires a named Admiral, they may release FFG original characters as Commanders, but not "Rebel officer" and "Imperial Officer."

Yea, the lack of basic ability to customize is kind of sad but its clear FFG is targeting the base they have built with X-Wing, etc rather than the hardcore wargaming hobbyist. I am hoping by the point we get further down the line and though they will branch out a bit. It doesn't have to be a huge amount of customization, just give me the option for Veers style helmet or officers cap and then E-11 or a pistol and I will be happy.

24 minutes ago, Col. Dash said:

You like easy build, I like customizing. Whatever works for you. The hobby is 50+% of the game for me and I will likely never play in a tournament without hobby scores. Further I was talking about the new GW stuff not the years old push fit crap that really was mono-pose crap meant to teach new people how to paint without breaking the bank. Once the newer initial primaris pushfit, limited option stuff came out, a few months later the better detailed multi-part kits came out and have sold like hot cakes. Options are needed to prevent staleness. Are FFG's storm trooper models throwing grenades? Storm troopers using DL19s? If so, what if I don't want to use multiples of those in every squad? Stormtroopers already look the same, I don't want the exact same pose in every squad.

I don't like easy build, I have entirely converted plastic armies for other systems, and would have loved to have multipart kits, with swappable heads for Rebels. But that isn't going to happen.

Companies, especially board game companies like FFG, like easy build. Runewars does not have a hobby score, Legion is highly unlikely to as well, ESPECIALLY as most people on here seem to be planning to paint their minis screen accurate. Legion is targeted at a similar audience to X-wing, the semi-casual wargamer that doesn't have hours to spend assembling, painting, and worrying about WYSISWYG. The next set of minis have been announced, and everything indicates they are the same push fit as the core and this set of expansion packs. There is zero indication FFG is planning on releasing multipart kits to replace these initial expansions.

The Easy Build Redemptor & Aggressors (12/17) were released AFTER the complete multi-part kits (7/17). I watched the pre-order notifications hit my inbox, and still have them archived.

Im not surprised ffg went with snap/push fit minis at all. They are easing into another section of the table top market.

Even with the semi limited customization available, as more kits come out im sure we can kit bash at least to some extent. Sure the first pack of stormtroopers might be hard to kit bash but after a few more releases that contain some sort of stormtroopers i see customization options opening up. Im already planning on buying two veers. I'm going to cut one in half and have him in the top hatch of an AT-ST!

4 hours ago, oddeye said:

Even with the semi limited customization available, as more kits come out im sure we can kit bash at least to some extent. Sure the first pack of stormtroopers might be hard to kit bash but after a few more releases that contain some sort of stormtroopers i see customization options opening up. Im already planning on buying two veers. I'm going to cut one in half and have him in the top hatch of an AT-ST!

I believe they went with a shaped peg system, which can make swapping parts around more difficult. Yes, with shaving the pegs there may be the opportunity for some amount of kit-bashing, but for the most part I predict it requiring a fair amount of cutting and greenstuff, much like with metal models.

On 1/29/2018 at 10:06 AM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

It's even worse in X-Wing where he hyperspaces in to some random point in space usually accompanied only by a VT-49 Decimator, always to take on either Dengar the Bounty-Hunter or Nym the Mercenary.

This exactly why we shouldn't have generic commanders. It makes sense that if a mission is important enough for one side to send their top commanders it is important enough for the other side to send theirs. It is a much less a suspension of disbelief for me to see Darth Vader with a small band of troops against Luke with a similar sized force than it is to see Darth Vader against Lt. Lamesauce.

...I would like to see some from the comix....such as....

--Captain Tolvan with all of her metal skin

--Adj Thanoth with his massive mustach

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