Scurrg or Gila monster?

By Jabberwock150, in X-Wing Squad Lists

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So I have two harpoon missile based lists and I can't decide which one is (objectively) better... thoughts?

List 1: Lok Revenant ×3: Harpoon missiles (4), Guidance chips (0), Extra Munitions (2), Deadeye (1), Courier Droid (0) - Total 99 pts

List 2: Cartel Executioner ×3: Guidance Chips (0), Harpoon missiles (4), Contraband Cybernetics (1), R4 Agromech (2), Deadeye (1)Total - 96pts

Thoughts? Improvements? Any feedback is sincerely appreciated!

Edited by Jabberwock150
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  • You really, really want either Deadeye or Long Range Scanners on the Cartel Executioners. PS5 is better than PS3 but not so high that you won't need a bit of help target locking the PS6+ crowd that forms the bulk of ships you'll face. That puts both lists on 99 points.
  • The Cartel Executioner's R4 Agromechs are nice with Deadeye Harpoon Missiles - you don't need to spend the focus to perform the attack, so you can spend it during the attack and acquire a target lock on your target to boot.
  • As both lists consist of 3 low PS deadeye harpoon boats, it boils down to the chassis:
    • The Scurrg has 2 extra hit points - meaning that it should take 3 missiles to kill one, whilst it's (just about) possible to kill a Kimogila with two, meaning that when facing a higher PS alpha strike, you're more likely to lose a ship with missiles still in its tubes with the M-12L
    • The Kimogila's PS5 does jump over the PS4 of Rho gunboats, which is a common 'extra ship' in a squad.
    • The Kimogila does have reload, but lacking the gunboat's OS-1 title, reloading will kill your ability to attack for a turn - the scurrg's extra munitions is a better plan for sustained missile fire.
    • Once the missiles are expended, the Kimogila is a significantly more capable ship - R4 agromech gives you an astromech equivalent to predator (in damage increase) and contraband cybernetics an illicit equivalent to adrenaline rush, both of which are very useful options to a ship with a decent primary weapon and a poor dial. Bullseye arc is relatively hard to line up on small based ships, but it is doable, and it's capable of handling large based ships very roughly indeed (centreline an IG-2000 with a harpoon missile and watch your opponent cry)
  • Personally I'd go with the Kimogila simply because you don't see them so much.
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5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

You really, really want either Deadeye or Long Range Scanners on the Cartel Executioners. PS5 is better than PS3 but not so high that you won't need a bit of help target locking the PS6+ crowd that forms the bulk of ships you'll face. That puts both lists on 99 points

Oops ? my bad, all three of the Cartel Executioners have Deadeye, I just didn't type it for some reason.

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Fair enough.

In fairness, in a straight fight between the two lists, or if you expect to face a gunboat list, then Crack Shot would do you proud and then some in the same spot. Equally, Veteran Instincts puts you at PS7, which lets you overtop TIE Defenders, IG-88, and most of the Rebel 4-ship crowd.

However, sooner or later you'll come up against someone against whom you'll miss the flexibility of Deadeye for missiles.

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I like the Executioners WAY more. They have more viability once the first missiles are away. And Frankly, they can do more what with the R4 and the Bullseye.

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Lose the R4 aggromech one one of them and you have Dalan Oberos at PS 9 (VI) for the same price. If I reproduce the original squad, I get 96 point initiative bid. I think you could definitely afford a few more upgrades in there.

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3 minutes ago, dotswarlock said:

Lose the R4 aggromech one one of them and you have Dalan Oberos at PS 9 (VI) for the same price. If I reproduce the original squad, I get 96 point initiative bid. I think you could definitely afford a few more upgrades in there.

The squad is actually 99 pts, I just forgot to include Deadeye on each

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With those extra points, would upgrading to Dalan with VI instead of Deadeye and the Enforcer title be better? That leaves me with a 98 pt bid.

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5 hours ago, Jabberwock150 said:

With those extra points, would upgrading to Dalan with VI instead of Deadeye and the Enforcer title be better? That leaves me with a 98 pt bid.

I might go for Extra Munitions. With that, you could get a second shot off without reloading on a few of them.

I'll also note that with Overclocked R4 and something like Concussion Missiles, you'll also get strong results. Not as strong, because Harpoons :rolleyes:, but still. However, because Overclocked is cheaper, you could even fit 3x with Concussion Missiles and Extra Munitions. Sadly, Harpoons are probably still better :rolleyes:.