2 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

I'm sure that we're getting an Imperial class deck- I'm very curious about that!

That's true, and it hadn't even occurred to me! Can any show-watchers think of anything that might fit thematically?

Maybe something along the lines of Thrawn's card, where you have to predict what the rebels will do and get some sort of advantage if you are right? I have no idea how to mechanically work that into the game (that's why I only play the games instead of building them ) but if they manage to make a deck that incorporates that sort of head game I think it would be really cool.

17 minutes ago, ManateeX said:

That's true, and it hadn't even occurred to me! Can any show-watchers think of anything that might fit thematically?

Maybe something along the lines of Thrawn's card, where you have to predict what the rebels will do and get some sort of advantage if you are right? I have no idea how to mechanically work that into the game (that's why I only play the games instead of building them ) but if they manage to make a deck that incorporates that sort of head game I think it would be really cool.

Total shot in the dark, but Thrawn was a connoisseur of art and culture.

It might be cool to have a deck called something like Local Knowledge, based off of the Bard class in Descent.

Basically, instead of a Bass and Treble clef, you could feature something like Painting and a Sculpture chit, with class cards reacting in different ways depending on which chit was on which card.

Otherwise, he's basically space Sherlock Holmes. Maybe a Deductive Reasoning deck, allowing for effects like the one you described as well as other buffs (like removing Focus and Hidden from Rebels).

22 hours ago, a1bert said:

Do you mean that for it to be a love story they need to live happily ever after unlike Hera and Kanan? (Oh, wait, what happened to Han and Leia later?)

20 hours ago, Rikalonius said:

I overly graphic violence doesn't make something adult, anymore than sex does. I find a lot of so called adult shows that feature gratuitous sex and violence to be the opposite of adult, they are juvenile; designed to appeal to prurient interests rather than serving the story.

The Hera/Kanan will they, won't they relationship, culminating in Kanan's final sacrifice, is, frankly, better than Han and Leia's short romance in Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

If you want moral ambiguity, I point you to Maul's attempt to manipulate Ezra away from Kanan and to fully embrace the dark side. Maul force chocking the inquisitor, goading Ezra to strike her down, and then throwing his lightsaber in anger when he didn't do it, is a dark as anything in rogue one. His subsequent gas-lighting of Ezra in order to trick him into leading him to Obi Wan was a very good arc. And then, Thrawn. Thrawn was even better in Rebels than he was in the Zahn books.

Yes true, I forgot about the love interest between Hera and Kanan. And, if I am not wrong, I feel that the revelation of their emotions to each other happens during 2-3 chapters almost at the end of the series right? To me, I feel it almost like an exception in the series. I do not think that a love story needs a happy ending. Some of the most beautiful love stories end up in tragedy. And they are beautiful because, you know it is not going to last so carpe diem.

I feel, Rebels is based on Ezra´ s main-arc of growing up into adulthood, taking the first seasons to explain his teenage years (with his own teenage problems), and then growing, understanding the world he is in and finding his place, and ending at the point when he becomes a young adult by losing his paternal figure (aka becoming independent) and by making his own vital decisions and taking full accountability for them.

Certainly, in each season's finale and ultimately towards the ending of season 4, the series grows adult in parallel to Ezra´´'s coming out of age. If I remember well, I think towards the end you can also see more explicit violence, even torture, which I do not think is gratuitous. I feel it realistic. I cannot believe, at times of war, of a commando entering into enemy complexes without killing anybody, and to do this repeatedly over 4 years. This is war, and people die at wars. No offence intended. It is the enthusiasm of the series for avoiding kills on screen by the Ghost crew that puts me off. The imperials are always depicted about killing this one and killing that one right? They are in their right to do so, this is a war and the rebels are their enemies. They realistically are not going to let the enemy kill their friends and colleagues and sit quietly. On the other hand, the Ghost crew are never about killing anyone, even though they might have their rebel comrades dying around them right? I am not asking for overly graphic violence, but for some realism in the battles. Rome was not conquered by getting people unconscious.

PD From Rebels Hera, Kanan and Thrawn are my favourites in terms of themes explored and charisma. Having said that, I feel it would be good for Star Wars developers to find a girlfriend for Thrawn to make it even a deeper character.

7 minutes ago, Tell me more said:

Yes true, I forgot about the love interest between Hera and Kanan. And, if I am not wrong, I feel that the revelation of their emotions to each other happens during 2-3 chapters almost at the end of the series right? To me, I feel it almost like an exception in the series. I do not think that a love story needs a happy ending. Some of the most beautiful love stories end up in tragedy. And they are beautiful because, you know it is not going to last so carpe diem.

Definitely not. Hera and Kanan's relationship always felt like this secret thing that they tried not to be too open about with the rest of the crew (or for that matter, each other even) but it was there pretty much from the beginning.

In fact, I know you think Rebels is for kids, but the subtlety that the show handled their relationship with is actually really impressive. Actually a pretty mature take on adults in a relationship.

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Having said that, I feel it would be good for Star Wars developers to find a girlfriend for Thrawn to make it even a deeper character.

I don't want to be rude, but I really hope that's a joke,

48 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

I don't want to be rude, but I really hope that's a joke,

Not at all. In fact , I will adventure to say that perhaps she could be a rebel scoundrel that Thrawn captures and underestimates, but surprisingly manages to deceive him and to escape from his clutches, by also stealing something of value to him. A redemption arc from Thrawn would follow or perhaps a sudden tragic death of this lady in one of their encounters, but hey, this is what drama is all about, is it not?

I feel that in general, characters with a love story gain in presence and prominence in a fictional series. Think of Han and Leia, Kanan and Hera, Padme and Vader, Luke and Mara, Satine and Obi, etc. It is almost never for the worse I think.

19 minutes ago, Tell me more said:

Not at all. In fact , I will adventure to say that perhaps she could be a rebel scoundrel that Thrawn captures and underestimates, but surprisingly manages to deceive him and to escape from his clutches, by also stealing something of value to him. A redemption arc from Thrawn would follow or perhaps a sudden death of this lady in one of their encounters, but hey, this is what drama is all about, is it not?

I feel that in general, characters with a love story gain in presence and prominence in a fictional series. Think of Han and Leia, Kanan and Hera, Padme and Vader, Luke and Mara, Satine and Obi, etc. It is almost never for the worse I think.

20 hours ago, Rikalonius said:

If you want moral ambiguity, I point you to Maul's attempt to manipulate Ezra away from Kanan and to fully embrace the dark side. Maul force chocking the inquisitor, goading Ezra to strike her down, and then throwing his lightsaber in anger when he didn't do it, is a dark as anything in rogue one. His subsequent gas-lighting of Ezra in order to trick him into leading him to Obi Wan was a very good arc. And then, Thrawn. Thrawn was even better in Rebels than he was in the Zahn books.

If the animation had been better, the final two seasons, save some still silly stuff, would have beaten out almost any of the live action films.

I've only recently started watching S1, but my biggest criticism is the pacing. Everything happens so fast that it just feels waaaaaaaay too easy.

I did see some S3 and S4 episodes and I disagree about Thrawn. I remember when I read the books Thrawn was like Evil Sherlock Holmes, but there was also this element of him that was like Hank Scorpio from the Simpsons. He was surprisingly merciful and gave people a chance to learn from their mistakes. He was an AWESOME boss to work for and just happened to be a super villain. He's kind of a sociopath in the show.

2 hours ago, Tell me more said:

Not at all. In fact , I will adventure to say that perhaps she could be a rebel scoundrel that Thrawn captures and underestimates, but surprisingly manages to deceive him and to escape from his clutches, by also stealing something of value to him. A redemption arc from Thrawn would follow or perhaps a sudden tragic death of this lady in one of their encounters, but hey, this is what drama is all about, is it not?

I feel that in general, characters with a love story gain in presence and prominence in a fictional series. Think of Han and Leia, Kanan and Hera, Padme and Vader, Luke and Mara, Satine and Obi, etc. It is almost never for the worse I think.

Thrawn probably has a harem of Twi'lek slaves you don't even know about. You want realism in war. Thrawn is akin to Alexander. He's not interested in pursuing relationships. He gets that itch scratched where he needs to and then goes about squashing the rebellion.

2 hours ago, subtrendy2 said:

Well, I'm still skeptical about the need for a Thrawn love interest, but I'm totally sold for his redemption.

Apparently Filoni has clarified that he and Ezra both survived the jump to wherever they went, so I think Thrawn has some story yet to tell.

I'm not for Thrawn's redemption. I'm tired of villains always having to be redeemed. From time to time you need a bad guy who dies with his middle finger in the air.

15 hours ago, Pollux85 said:

I've only recently started watching S1, but my biggest criticism is the pacing. Everything happens so fast that it just feels waaaaaaaay too easy.

I did see some S3 and S4 episodes and I disagree about Thrawn. I remember when I read the books Thrawn was like Evil Sherlock Holmes, but there was also this element of him that was like Hank Scorpio from the Simpsons. He was surprisingly merciful and gave people a chance to learn from their mistakes. He was an AWESOME boss to work for and just happened to be a super villain. He's kind of a sociopath in the show.

Yeah, season 1 is awful at first. It picks up around episode 5, slows down a few episodes later, and then ends on a strong run of 3 or 4 episodes. It's definitely not the best season.

He's definitely like that in the Thrawn novel released last year. I think part of the reason that he's more vilified in Rebels is all about perspective. The Spectres see him as the Empire incarnate and even though they're terribly wrong in that, he plays into that role.

20 hours ago, Rikalonius said:

Thrawn probably has a harem of Twi'lek slaves you don't even know about. You want realism in war. Thrawn is akin to Alexander. He's not interested in pursuing relationships. He gets that itch scratched where he needs to and then goes about squashing the rebellion.

Could be. But you know that Disney is not going to let your explanation of Thrawn's love interest(s) ever happen.

PS Ezra and Thrawn sharing adventures for a while, and Sabine showing up? I see Disney making the redemption arc for the Grand Admiral and forgetting his genocide in Lothal

1 minute ago, Tell me more said:

Could be. But you know that Disney is not going to let your explanation of Thrawn's love interest(s) ever happen.

PS Ezra and Thrawn sharing adventures for a while, and Sabine showing up? I see Disney making the redemption arc for the Grand Admiral and forgetting his genocide in Lothal

They are going to find Thrawn and Ezra party'ing it up in Chiss Ascendancy space.

3 minutes ago, Rikalonius said:

They are going to find Thrawn and Ezra party'ing it up in Chiss Ascendancy space.

Which leads me to believe that at a certain point in the scheme Ezra pulls Sabine, leaving Thrawn... err.. with Ashoka?

Glad to see this thread of despair has turned into a fanfiction discussion page.