If we dont buy Mechanically unsound garbage, FFG wont make it, as slowing sales will motivate better product. only you can stop forest fires on Endor or whatever. bah humbug

I have some questions:

Are you sure competitive players using them make up a significant enough portion of the sales figures to make an impact?

How would you like to achieve this? Should everyone stop buying Resistance Bombers, itself a fair ship because of that one card? And should every player who bought into Scum via Most Wanted return that pack?

What about people who do not play Nym, but use Scurrg generics (4 Karthakk Pirates for example). Are they more responsible for Nym shenanigans?

It's not like you buy the broken stuff in separate packs.

I must disagree in a polite way. FFG focus X Wing development looking towards Tournament Play. Sometimes "Caution, wet floor" but this is the official game mode .

Gave me new ships. Beautifull plastic crack. Not caring about power creep. I can buy new stuff and if rules are not of our taste...this is a game only.

Your game. Your rules

I bought my Trajectory Simulator on eBay, so it came from an already opened B/SF pack, does that count?

51 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

If we dont buy Mechanically unsound garbage, FFG wont make it, as slowing sales will motivate better product. only you can stop forest fires on Endor or whatever. bah humbug

The question arises - what is mechanically unsound? We know the developers took their time on bringing out the fantastic GUNBOAT expansion pack because a number of key upgrades and mechanics had to come out first, which were all unbalanced for a good deal of time. Trajectory simulator is powerful now, but how about when an Imperial ace mod comes out allowing them to ignore bombs?

I believe the developers are still working on the foundation of the game, and that sooner or later we'll reach an equilibrium where all the jank is of equal power. It's just a pity that they don't release the counter to new jankat the same time as the jank itself.

Yeah, coz genius was totally broken until nym came out and we all should never have bought most wanted for the last 3 years.

And what's broken next once TS/genius is fixed?

The vast majority of players in our local community have zero interest in playing at anything above a casual level so whatever the current meta actually is, is entirely irrelevant to them. They just want to fly ships around, have some fun, make terrible puns out of movie quotes, and play some fun games for a few hours. I'd say confidently that 90% or more have never been to anything above our store championship, and they only went to that because I nagged them enough about it. So this whole "OMGZ THE GAME IZ RUINEED!!!!" needs to gear down a bit. Sure, it's an issue for those that want to go to competitive events, but that isn't the vast majority of players in my anecdotal experience. YMMV.

8 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

If we dont buy Mechanically unsound garbage, FFG wont make it, as slowing sales will motivate better product. only you can stop forest fires on Endor or whatever. bah humbug

The problem with this is that we dont know it's OP rubbish until we buy it. We can theorise, but proof is only in games on the table.

4 hours ago, Slugrage said:

The vast majority of players in our local community have zero interest in playing at anything above a casual level so whatever the current meta actually is, is entirely irrelevant to them. They just want to fly ships around, have some fun, make terrible puns out of movie quotes, and play some fun games for a few hours. I'd say confidently that 90% or more have never been to anything above our store championship, and they only went to that because I nagged them enough about it. So this whole "OMGZ THE GAME IZ RUINEED!!!!" needs to gear down a bit. Sure, it's an issue for those that want to go to competitive events, but that isn't the vast majority of players in my anecdotal experience. YMMV.

I said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again here:

FFG needs to start designing for the casual player. Ion clouds. Missing pilots for existing ships. Missions. Narrative elements. Epic play beyond Huge Ship releases. Prequel ships that refill "existing design space" with 2 new factions.

Give Sport-Wing a rest. Give us X-Wing "Relive the Battles" Game.

Well what was mechanically unsound? I mean there is very little confusion about the rules. Most (early) erratas were there just t clear up some corner cases where there is some confusion. Granted the way FFG instructions use some of the wording would make an Oxford English Professor irate but in simplicity sake and the limited of space on the cards I think they do a good job.

The only thing that has been unsound is well the meta balance and it is a lot more sound than what some on F-wing and R-wing make it out to be (even back in Waves 8 & 9). The only thing I think is broken is the way FFG has been handling these complaints. Completely invalidating the card system for list building also pushing an older product outside of the business model so now that it is a noob trap just to satisfy the Table Top MLG wanabes was not the right call IMHO. Either way I have been on hiatus and haven't bought another X-wing product since then not because I am on some boycott until FFG caves into my demands, but more because now playing X-wing isn't feasible with no place currently nearby and my collection in storage. If I find a minature/table top/board game store nearby I might pick up some Armada stuff (I don't see a need in buying my entire X-wing collection back). But for the time being it is some vassal and that is it.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

I said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again here:

FFG needs to start designing for the casual player. Ion clouds. Missing pilots for existing ships. Missions. Narrative elements. Epic play beyond Huge Ship releases. Prequel ships that refill "existing design space" with 2 new factions.

Give Sport-Wing a rest. Give us X-Wing "Relive the Battles" Game.

I like my competitive X-Wing and I support this message.

2 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again here:

FFG needs to start designing for the casual player. Ion clouds. Missing pilots for existing ships. Missions. Narrative elements. Epic play beyond Huge Ship releases. Prequel ships that refill "existing design space" with 2 new factions.

Give Sport-Wing a rest. Give us X-Wing "Relive the Battles" Game.

I would be so happy if they shifted a bit towards this. Don't give us new weapons and upgrades that start creating situations like this; give us more Star Wars stuff.

2 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again here:

FFG needs to start designing for the casual player. Ion clouds. Missing pilots for existing ships. Missions. Narrative elements. Epic play beyond Huge Ship releases. Prequel ships that refill "existing design space" with 2 new factions.

Give Sport-Wing a rest. Give us X-Wing "Relive the Battles" Game.

Agreed. A lot of FFG's problem are arising because players don't have their own spaces to play how they like. Everyone doesn't want to play standard. If they know most of their revenue comes from "casual" players, why aren't they making formats and ships for them? Many players are disenfranchised.

2 hours ago, AceWing said:

Agreed. A lot of FFG's problem are arising because players don't have their own spaces to play how they like. Everyone doesn't want to play standard. If they know most of their revenue comes from "casual" players, why aren't they making formats and ships for them? Many players are disenfranchised.

Technical they have cinematic play in a lot of expansion and are aware of hotac.

2 hours ago, AceWing said:

Agreed. A lot of FFG's problem are arising because players don't have their own spaces to play how they like.

17 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Technical they have cinematic play in a lot of expansion and are aware of hotac.

Technically.

But as someone pointed out to me elsewhere, if you don't have a private "kitchen table group," you will have to play at the FLGS in public. And right now, as players get ready for tournament, you could show up for a fun night of XWM only to find out everyone there is "getting reps."

And as far as FFG goes, it's pretty hard to see that they think about anything other than tournaments and the meta. We've been told there will be no campaign due to manpower issues (despite the fact that they know we want it), waves are discussed in terms of how they will "shake up the meta," new designs and FAQs will be release based on "what they see at the top tables," and the latest FFG XWM News is getting ready for the new tournament season's meta.

I will never play this game to try to win a prize. But FFG assumes that's all I care about.

4 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

But as someone pointed out to me elsewhere, if you don't have a private "kitchen table group," you will have to play at the FLGS in public.

I still can't comprehend american game store culture fully. ;-)

10 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

I still can't comprehend american game store culture fully. ;-)

Me neither. Which is why every game I have ever played has a solid "kitchen table club."

2 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Me neither. Which is why every game I have ever played has a solid "kitchen table club."

So we both are in a situation to play freely non standard-games as much as we wish. Which is in my case just twice a year or so. while in your case a lot more often. You get my point that other formats are supported not just technical.

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

Technical they have cinematic play in a lot of expansion and are aware of hotac.

Don't you mean the developers are aware? Do you have an example of an expansion with a pilot or upgrade card that was deigned specifically for HotAC play?

54 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

So we both are in a situation to play freely non standard-games as much as we wish. Which is in my case just twice a year or so. while in your case a lot more often. You get my point that other formats are supported not just technical.

Yep, totally true, and why most of this meta angst means very little to me. OTOH, it does mean something to me because:

A. As a player who has spent $$$$ on this game, I want to feel included. I never feel like FFG is talking about my game, save once every year and a half when a Huge ship drops. Then, I get one article and it's back to meta. It may not seem like much, but getting an Epic Subforum was a big deal to me.

B. If Standard Play is the thing, and it dies, so does my trickle down game. So, when the OP says "let's not support his game," it's still my issue. Because:

C. While I can homebrew, I want official content, too.*

*Although, if there was an online squad builder that allowed you to add homebrew content I would be in heaven!

6 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

I said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again here:

FFG needs to start designing for the casual player. Ion clouds. Missing pilots for existing ships. Missions. Narrative elements. Epic play beyond Huge Ship releases. Prequel ships that refill "existing design space" with 2 new factions.

Give Sport-Wing a rest. Give us X-Wing "Relive the Battles" Game.

I... this. Just this. I want to have prequels, and epic, and theme. FFG, I want this, not more bombs.

15 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

If we dont buy Mechanically unsound garbage, FFG wont make it, as slowing sales will motivate better product. only you can stop forest fires on Endor or whatever. bah humbug

And what precisely is the “broken garbage”?

The problem is that Americans are fine cheating to win, especially when the 'cheating' is only spending money on the broke stuff that just got released.

Americans break games, because the only thing 'real' (i.e., competitive-minded) Americans have fun doing is winning.

In America, the motto is "Capitalism above all other things." Americans have always, and will always, buy the stuff that lets them win more easily. Then you, the other guy, can either play privately the way you like, or you can go to the public places and get bead by the "New Hotness" over and over, or you can budget for the Neww Hotness and try to keep up. Miniatures games are notorious for power creep, and X-Wing is no exception.

PS: I'm an American military veteran

7 minutes ago, heliodorus04 said:

PS: I'm an American military veteran

And apparently you know every American and their buying habits ?. I know for a fact one of the forums members here plays empire exclusively and will only buy empire expansions. Your theory is flawed.

55 minutes ago, heliodorus04 said:

PS: I'm an American military veteran

Funny, if you were an American, you'd know the American motto is "Can I get a **** Yeah?" As spoken by Saint Stone Cold of Austin at the battle of Antietam. You are exposed, you black flag communist infiltrator who is bold or foolish enough to speak for all of any huge and varied population of different people. Your crass generalization has nothing to do with X-Wing, you have some kind of Soviet-Era axe to grind with the Greatest Show On Earth Greatest Country in the World (TM) due to a what I can only assume to be an evergrowing inferiority complex due to having lost the Revolutionary War.

You don't speak for me.