1 minute ago, nikk whyte said:fun be damned
That right there pretty much sums up why we will never see eye to eye on this subject or what the actual job of a TO is. So have fun being you, assuming it isn't against the rules, and I hope I never have the displeasure of attending one of your events. I'm out.
13 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:It’s not up to the community to decide what rules WILL be adjusted. We can discuss, and posit what SHOULD be adjusted all day. These are just wants. They are not the basis on which we can effectively change any rule. As a TO, my job is to enforce the rules. We did this with intentional draws. They had to be allowed, fun be damned.
Agreed. I'm all for nym/miranda being changed. But I don't feel like it should be ruled against in official FFG events like regionals until it's been officially ruled on (in an FAQ, **** I'd even take a frank email ruling). At krayt cup, or store kit tournamnets, or any other non-official format, do whatever you want. Tournaments after the big nerf FAQ was revealed last november still used the pre-nerf versions until the effective date of the FAQ as i recall. Don't see why this should be any different (or rather, it is, but only in that we don't even have official word a change is coming like we did then)
6 minutes ago, Makaze said:That right there pretty much sums up why we will never see eye to eye on this subject or what the actual job of a TO is. So have fun being you, assuming it isn't against the rules, and I hope I never have the displeasure of attending one of your events. I'm out.
Thanks for missing the point entirely, friend.
Come to my events. I hosted the largest store championship in GA last year.
1 hour ago, nikk whyte said:I can’t believe I was mocked in this thread for suggesting we follow the rules. Unbelievable.
You're being mocked, at least by me, because you're taking it so seriously. Not because you're suggesting we follow the rules.
Instead of waiting for the glacier to move on a FAQ, TOs are making the call themselves with player majority approval. Shouldn't we applaud the community taking ownership of the game they're playing?
Serious question to you...as a TO, is it at your discretion to make a change like this? Because if it is, then it's within the rules for this to happen.
But Paul said bombs were fine.
3 minutes ago, gennataos said:You're being mocked, at least by me, because you're taking it so seriously. Not because you're suggesting we follow the rules.
Instead of waiting for the glacier to move on a FAQ, TOs are making the call themselves with player majority approval. Shouldn't we applaud the community taking ownership of the game they're playing?
Serious question to you...as a TO, is it at your discretion to make a change like this? Because if it is, then it's within the rules for this to happen.
As the interaction is very clear, no. It is not within my discretion to change it.
Just now, nikk whyte said:As the interaction is very clear, no. It is not within my discretion to change it.
What are the ramifications of doing so? How is a TO at the FFG allowed to do so?
So it's unofficially official that rules may or may not be changed per event. *wink wink*
20 minutes ago, gennataos said:What are the ramifications of doing so? How is a TO at the FFG allowed to do so?
The implication is that he has tacit approval from developers.
Tacit approval is not the same as an official rule change.
5 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:The implication is that he has tacit approval from developers.
Tacit approval is not the same as an official rule change.
Man I even agree with you technically, which according to Futurama is the best form of correct, but in this instance we can literally blame FFG if it ends up not falling this way. I don't think anyone wants Nymranda v Raclo Meta.
10 minutes ago, Kelvan said:Man I even agree with you technically, which according to Futurama is the best form of correct, but in this instance we can literally blame FFG if it ends up not falling this way. I don't think anyone wants Nymranda v Raclo Meta.
There’s zero reason to believe that based on the events of one weekend, and a weekend in which 3 different regionals didn’t even feature nym or miranda in the cut, that this would be the case.
1 hour ago, nikk whyte said:There’s zero reason to believe that based on the events of one weekend, and a weekend in which 3 different regionals didn’t even feature nym or miranda in the cut, that this would be the case.
Tee hee hee.
I am honestly totally taken aback by how many players expected TOs to fall in line and rule as the FFG center erroneously is (by the currently printed rules). It’s so crazy I almost expect these players are clued in on a playtesting source or two and thus are aware the change is coming and took this as a tool to get the ruling out sooner.
The trouble is, no matter the case, the ruling is wrong. And because of that, this seems to have had some very unnecessary negative repercussions, especially for the marshals that are ruling against the combo. If you are upset, frustrated, or irritated by the judges and marshals, understand this- those ruling against it (except possibly the FFG center) are dictating the state of the game based on an assumption. A strong one? Possibly. But still, it’s 100% an assumption. You can’t expect that to be enough for a key ruling to be changed.
And I want to say this as well- As much fun as the Krayts and some of these other podcasts are, I really, really don’t want them to hold it over all these TOs heads when the FAQ does drop and genius simulator is nixed. But I can’t help but feel it’s a strong possibility with what seems a majority of the podcasts being at the forefront of the “rule it incorrectly because the FFG center did” team.
I love this game, but I do not get emotionally invested to the point in which I get all huffy about stuff.
However, I do like watching others get huffy.
1 hour ago, Boba Rick said:I love this game, but I do not get emotionally invested to the point in which I get all huffy about stuff.
However, I do like watching others get huffy.
You should be huffy about a half a dozen regionals ignoring the rules as written on the basis of cut diversity and a few other random, subjective qualifications.
You are so right! Those guys really should not be taking the cure for cancer ... it could kill them
25 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:You should be huffy about a half a dozen regionals ignoring the rules as written on the basis of cut diversity and a few other random, subjective qualifications.
I don’t see why we should. I’m not playing in another big event until Adepticon. I’m not worried about random TO rulings taking over and becoming the norm. I also don’t think the regional TO centered in FFG is subjective qualifications.
27 minutes ago, sozin said:You are so right! Those guys really should not be taking the cure for cancer ... it could kill them
Did a doctor (FFG) write the prescription (faq/errata)?
no?
2 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:Did a doctor (FFG) write the prescription (faq/errata)?
no?
I think you just made @sozin's point. . .if the darn thing is going to save your life, are you really going to be stubborn and die waiting for a doctor to tell you to take it?
Obviously (because apparently it needs to be said explicitly for some) this isn't life and death. It's a game, but the analogy is a good one.
1 minute ago, Waaaaaampa said:I think you just made @sozin's point. . .if the darn thing is going to save your life, are you really going to be stubborn and die waiting for a doctor to tell you to take it?
Obviously (because apparently it needs to be said explicitly for some) this isn't life and death. It's a game, but the analogy is a good one.
I think this analogy is almost more like the Dallas Buyer’s Club.
2 hours ago, Boba Rick said:I love this game, but I do not get emotionally invested to the point in which I get all huffy about stuff.
However, I do like watching others get huffy.
Trajectory simbalator!
1 hour ago, Waaaaaampa said:I think you just made @sozin's point. . .if the darn thing is going to save your life, are you really going to be stubborn and die waiting for a doctor to tell you to take it?
Obviously (because apparently it needs to be said explicitly for some) this isn't life and death. It's a game, but the analogy is a good one.
Here's where your analogy fails:
What if the cure turns out to give the patient another, worse kind of cancer?
2 minutes ago, Koing907 said:Here's where your analogy fails:
What if the cure turns out to give the patient another, worse kind of cancer?
*facepalm*
1 hour ago, AlexW said:I think this analogy is almost more like the Dallas Buyer’s Club.
Coincidentally also a guy named Ron
8 minutes ago, Koing907 said:Here's where your analogy fails:
What if the cure turns out to give the patient another, worse kind of cancer?
You die twice...?
2 minutes ago, Waaaaaampa said:*facepalm*
I'm quite serious. In your analogy, the approval process is meant to test for such results. Does the cure work? Are there any side effects?
To bring the analogy back to the game, if TO's can overrive the rules, then we do not have a shared set of consistent rules to play by. This is why you can grab your kit and go play in a Regional in the first place. Everyone knows (should know, if they want to participate) how the game and it's rules work.
Throwing that away could throw away the competitive scene altogether. Listjuggler will be useless, and lists will become a maze of conditionals based on what the rules are going to be based on the venue.