Rey/Poe - Expertise or VI+Countermeasures

By millsbr91, in X-Wing Squad Lists

Hey everyone. I have a list that I hope to use for regionals. Poe can shed the TLs with Black One. And pull them from Rey. But I find myself wondering if Rey needs better protection from the alpha strikes. Expertise or VI+Countermeasures? The PS 10 to match my Poe is nothing to scoff at either. Thoughts?

T-70 X-Wing: •Poe Dameron (41)
Autothrusters (2)
•Black One (1)
Veteran Instincts (1)
•R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)

YT-1300: •Rey (58)
•Millennium Falcon (HotR) (1)
Expertise (4)
•Finn (5)
•Kanan Jarrus (3)

Total: 99/100

Personally, I would go with the VI + CM version. Shedding two TL's is crazy and could definitely turn the tide against gunboats or a NymRanda list imo. Having both ships at PS10 is also pretty strong.

I love expertise, but I feel its best value only comes when your ship attacks twice somehow.

For the VI version, I might add that if you put scavenger crane in there, you could get multiple uses. You would need to either drop both ships to ps9, drop to integrated astromech, or get rid of black one and initiative bid. Not sure how else you would fit it.

8 minutes ago, schmi said:

Personally, I would go with the VI + CM version. Shedding two TL's is crazy and could definitely turn the tide against gunboats or a NymRanda list imo. Having both ships at PS10 is also pretty strong.

I love expertise, but I feel its best value only comes when your ship attacks twice somehow.

For the VI version, I might add that if you put scavenger crane in there, you could get multiple uses. You would need to either drop both ships to ps9, drop to integrated astromech, or get rid of black one and initiative bid. Not sure how else you would fit it.

Thanks for the reply schmi. I think I'm leaning that way too (VI + cm), but I don't know if I can part ways with PS10, autothrusters, or initiative bid.

Of the two, VI and CM.

However... I’m beginning to think, depending on your meta, determination may be the best bet as you have a 25% chance of ignoring proton bombs and screw over RAClo.

Something to consider, anyway.

I'm playing around with this list too. Right now I am running PS8 Poe with VI, otherwise same Poe. I'm new to the game - is CM + 1 point bid going to be more worthwhile than Engine Upgrade and no bid? Right now I was thinking EU, but CM might be a better chance at saving Rey.

1 hour ago, millsbr91 said:

Hey everyone. I have a list that I hope to use for regionals. Poe can shed the TLs with Black One. And pull them from Rey. But I find myself wondering if Rey needs better protection from the alpha strikes. Expertise or VI+Countermeasures? The PS 10 to match my Poe is nothing to scoff at either. Thoughts?

T-70 X-Wing: •Poe Dameron (41)
Autothrusters (2)
•Black One (1)
Veteran Instincts (1)
•R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)

YT-1300: •Rey (58)
•Millennium Falcon (HotR) (1)
Expertise (4)
•Finn (5)
•Kanan Jarrus (3)

Total: 99/100

My vote is VI/Engine. Range control ordnance strikes so they can't get them off and jam Rey down their throats. I've done both and feel Engine is the clear winner. Re-positioning is very powerful in the current meta. You also don't need the PS10 bid. The only thing you'd usually be bidding against at PS10 is Nym, and if you're ranging well with your squad you won't care if he's moving before or after that much.

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

My vote is VI/Engine. Range control ordnance strikes so they can't get them off and jam Rey down their throats. I've done both and feel Engine is the clear winner. Re-positioning is very powerful in the current meta. You also don't need the PS10 bid. The only thing you'd usually be bidding against at PS10 is Nym, and if you're ranging well with your squad you won't care if he's moving before or after that much.

How do you deal with modifying Rey's shots? 5 dice can still be anemic without a focus token.

35 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

How do you deal with modifying Rey's shots? 5 dice can still be anemic without a focus token.

The initial engagement is often the only time I'll have to close that gap, so I just roll (sic) with what the dice bring me for that one. I like Engine for being more capable of controlling the engagement.

I know it's completely against the norm, but I really like Rey with the evade title, Expertise, Finn and c3p0. If you fly well, you don't need to sloop, and the evade, plus finn rerolls and 3p0 nearly guarantees 3 evades in one roll, you still get modified shots. (there is even the possibility of getting 4+ evades in one roll). Countermeasures works great in this if you have the points, but it's crazy defensive with a huge bite with proper flying.

In your build, countermeasures would help stop the alpha, but expertise could help remove a ship before it fires in multiple rounds.

Edited by Mrk1984

I vote VI/CM. That is a LOT of offense stymieing. You can still Focus for offense as needed. And you are very right to appreciate the same PS.