What do you guys think to this list?

10 minutes ago, Dashdor said:

What do you guys think to this list?

Poe/Han (96)

Poe Dameron (PS9) — T-70 X-Wing	33
Veteran Instincts	1
BB-8	2
Advanced Optics	2
Autothrusters	2
Black One	1
Ship Total: 41
Han Solo — YT-1300	46
Expertise	4
Rey	2
Jan Ors	2
Millennium Falcon	1
Ship Total: 55 https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v4!s!196:27,-1,148,254:39:15:;36:220,-1,201,75:2:-1:&sn=Poe%2FHan&obs= Poe is fairly standard these days, BB-8 is there for the double target lock removal from Black One which I think is very important at the moment and I'm loving Advanced Optics, it really helps give Poe some options. Han is a little different with Jan Ors and Rey. Jan allows me to give an evade to Poe if he Focuses instead of TL and banking focuses with Rey means im actually also banking evades. This means Han can have 2 evades later in the game or get a focus when he is stressed. I think this Han is even more tanky than with C-3P0 and a point cheaper; speaking of which I like the bid, though 4 may be going too far but I honestly don't know what else to add, well other than Engine Upgrade but as I said, I like the bid.

Expertise and Rey seem counter-intuitive. I don't super care for Jan in the list either. I'd cut them and put in C-3P0, I think he gets you where you want to be. I'd try to fit engine upgrade in there if you can. I was convinced in an earlier thread that EU is a pretty critical component.

Total: 99

edit: changed it to BB like you wanted

2 minutes ago, ltetone said:

Expertise and Rey seem counter-intuitive. I don't super care for Jan in the list either. I'd cut them and put in C-3P0, I think he gets you where you want to be. I'd try to fit engine upgrade in there if you can. I was convinced in an earlier thread that EU is a pretty critical component.

Poe Dameron (PS9) — T-70 X-Wing	33
Veteran Instincts	1
BB-8	2
Advanced Optics	2
Autothrusters	2
Black One	1
Ship Total: 41
Han Solo — YT-1300	46
Expertise	4
C-3PO	3
Engine Upgrade	4
Millennium Falcon	1
Ship Total: 58

Total: 99

edit: changed it to BB like you wanted

Rey is used with Jan to turn the banked focuses into evades, I will only take them as focuses if I'm stressed (when Expertise won't work). This seems better than C-3P0 to me. Plus the potential for Poe to have an evade is pretty huge.

Why do you think C-3P0 would be better?

Just now, Dashdor said:

Rey is used with Jan to turn the banked focuses into evades, I will only take them as focuses if I'm stressed (when Expertise won't work). This seems better than C-3P0 to me. Plus the potential for Poe to have an evade is pretty huge.

Why do you think C-3P0 would be better?

you can just take an evade action when you need it, that will get you a guaranteed 2 with C3. Or you can just boost out of range with EU. Having 2 crew to generate an evade you can get with the title doesn't seem to be the most effective thing in the world.

Just now, ltetone said:

you can just take an evade action when you need it, that will get you a guaranteed 2 with C3. Or you can just boost out of range with EU. Having 2 crew to generate an evade you can get with the title doesn't seem to be the most effective thing in the world.

C-3P0 can guarantee 1 evade (choose 0 and then either roll a blank or an evade). This can guarantee 2 evades (evade action + 1 from Rey/Jan) and can give Poe an evade, all for one more point than 3P0.

If not better it is at least as good.

1 minute ago, Dashdor said:

Rey is used with Jan to turn the banked focuses into evades, I will only take them as focuses if I'm stressed (when Expertise won't work). This seems better than C-3P0 to me. Plus the potential for Poe to have an evade is pretty huge.

Why do you think C-3P0 would be better?

They each have their advantage, and you are actually paying 1 point more for rey+jan than just C3P0, rey+jan allows you to get a focus when stressed, or turn one of poe's focus into evade, but is 1 point more, and you can actually run out of focus on rey pretty quick, since you'll want to use it every turn, while C3P0 is always there, C3P0 has the disadvantage of TBs and range 3, where you no longer have a guaranteed evade. Honestly, I've used this combo on a ghost and liked it, because I had two evades, but I ran out of focus on rey pretty quick, here, honestly, I'd go for C3P0.

1 minute ago, DanteStorm said:

They each have their advantage, and you are actually paying 1 point more for rey+jan than just C3P0, rey+jan allows you to get a focus when stressed, or turn one of poe's focus into evade, but is 1 point more, and you can actually run out of focus on rey pretty quick, since you'll want to use it every turn, while C3P0 is always there, C3P0 has the disadvantage of TBs and range 3, where you no longer have a guaranteed evade. Honestly, I've used this combo on a ghost and liked it, because I had two evades, but I ran out of focus on rey pretty quick, here, honestly, I'd go for C3P0.

Fair enough, running out of focuses on Rey is certainly a problem. I'll run it a bit and see how it goes and keep C-3P0 is mind; it's a classic for a reason I guess.

I've run fat Han builds many times in the past (hotr and ot), never with C-3PO and always with Rey. Had two top 5's with Han/Jake. Without EU I would have had nowhere close to that much success. All the evades in the world aren't as good as not getting shot at all. I don't know how many matches it came down to Han vs Fenn (scum) or the Inquisitor or some other ace arc dodger only to see my opponent get increasingly frustrated by not being able to shoot back round after round. Granted I had a 4 point bid on my list which you will lose by adding EU to your list.

97 points

PILOTS

Han Solo (56)
YT-1300 (46), Expert Handling (2), Rey (2), Gunner (5), Millennium Falcon (Evade Version) (1)

Poe Dameron (PS9 Version) (41)
T-70 X-Wing (33), Black One (1), BB-8 (2), Advanced Optics (2), Veteran Instincts (1), Autothrusters (2)

Something like this may be worth considering, it won't allow you to give the evades to Poe but it makes Han super slippery and still gets a focus from Rey despite the stress from Expert Handling. Also you wont always need to keep Poe close by for Black One to work since Han can shed his own TL

6 minutes ago, Mightybeard13 said:

I've run fat Han builds many times in the past (hotr and ot), never with C-3PO and always with Rey. Had two top 5's with Han/Jake. Without EU I would have had nowhere close to that much success. All the evades in the world aren't as good as not getting shot at all. I don't know how many matches it came down to Han vs Fenn (scum) or The Inquisitor or some other ace arc dodger only to see my opponent get increasingly frustrated by not being able to shoot back round after round. Granted I had a 4 point bid on my list which you will lose by adding EU to your list.

Which EPT did you run in those lists? I'd imagine with Rey and EU VI becomes pretty valuable.

I ran him with Predator. Here was the list. substitute Old or Young Han as desired

96 points

PILOTS

Han Solo (63)
YT-1300 (46), Predator (3), Rey (2), Luke Skywalker (7), Millennium Falcon (Evade Version) (1), Engine Upgrade (4)

Jake Farrell (33)
A-Wing (24), A-Wing Test Pilot (0), Proton Rockets (3), Veteran Instincts (1), Autothrusters (2), Push the Limit (3)

1 minute ago, Mightybeard13 said:

I ran him with Predator. Here was the list. substitute Old or Young Han as desired

96 points

PILOTS

Han Solo (63)
YT-1300 (46), Predator (3), Rey (2), Luke Skywalker (7), Millennium Falcon (Evade Version) (1), Engine Upgrade (4)

Jake Farrell (33)
A-Wing (24), A-wing Test Pilot (0), Proton Rockets (3), Veteran Instincts (1), Autothrusters (2), Push the Limit (3)

Wild. Predator on Han. Seems like a nonbo, but I'm guessing it works out well on those 1 blank situations while still hedging with Han's ability on those 1 or 0 hit situations. Neat.

4 minutes ago, ltetone said:

Wild. Predator on Han. Seems like a nonbo, but I'm guessing it works out well on those 1 blank situations while still hedging with Han's ability on those 1 or 0 hit situations. Neat.

For sure, or you can reroll the one hit/two blanks to force a Luke's ability which also benefits from predator. It basically means he rolls hits all the time with a great chance at stripping some tokens. I found I with Predator I didn't need Han rerolls a lot which is why I tried out HoTR Han. It really threw people off, even if you don't use his ability it makes people have to re think their set up. If you do use his ability it can really mess people up too and Jake is fast enough to catch up quick, It can set up a nice chase situation for Jake to get in behind the enemy

Honestly, I really like your list off the bat. Poe is, of course, excellent. Now I like to fly Han with VI/EU/Rey/3-PO, giving a balance of dodge or double evade, while still having some offensive dice to throw. However, the versatility that comes with your build is intriguing. If you have to pull a red, Rey can still provide you with a focus. Or, with 2 evades. But, with Jan relevant to Poe as well, you have a really flexible list. Bravo sir, this is very creative.

On 17.1.2018 at 12:20 AM, Dashdor said:

C-3P0 can guarantee 1 evade (choose 0 and then either roll a blank or an evade). This can guarantee 2 evades (evade action + 1 from Rey/Jan) and can give Poe an evade, all for one more point than 3P0.

If not better it is at least as good.

Just keep in mind, that you can't spend multiple evade tokens during the "modify defense dice" step.

10 hours ago, Cassan said:

Just keep in mind, that you can't spend multiple evade tokens during the "modify defense dice" step.

C-3P0 adds an evade result. It's a modification to your defending dice pool, not spending an evade token. In is scenario, Poe and Han each have one evade token, Han has the guaranteed ability to either roll a natural evade or add an evade result via C-3, giving him 2.

1 hour ago, ltetone said:

C-3P0 adds an evade result. It's a modification to your defending dice pool, not spending an evade token. In is scenario, Poe and Han each have one evade token, Han has the guaranteed ability to either roll a natural evade or add an evade result via C-3, giving him 2.

@Cassan I think was meaning where it was stated getting an evade action form the falcon title and then generating another one from Jan by turning a foucs into an evade, thus having 2 evade tokens.

On 18.1.2018 at 8:53 PM, RedSkull said:

@Cassan I think was meaning where it was stated getting an evade action form the falcon title and then generating another one from Jan by turning a foucs into an evade, thus having 2 evade tokens.

Exactly.