How will the Ghost crew will be released?

By steveisbig, in Star Wars: Legion

Or the art for the Armada/X-wing cards, or the art for the new RPG setting book. They've adapted the art before, and done a fine job of it.

5 hours ago, Lord Tareq said:

I hope they don’t include stuff from the rebels show. The cartoony ‘kids’ artstyle in that series is imho quite annoying and won’t fit the realistic nature of the Legion models. They’d have to translate their look into one that fits Legion. Plus I don’t like the series overall with all the Jedi popping up constantly.

I would assume they will borrow at least some elements from the show. If and when they do bring in Rebels characters, I'd think they would be stylized the same as the other miniatures and not any more cartoony.

6 hours ago, Lord Tareq said:

I hope they don’t include stuff from the rebels show. The cartoony ‘kids’ artstyle in that series is imho quite annoying and won’t fit the realistic nature of the Legion models. They’d have to translate their look into one that fits Legion. Plus I don’t like the series overall with all the Jedi popping up constantly.

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7 hours ago, Lord Tareq said:

I hope they don’t include stuff from the rebels show. The cartoony ‘kids’ artstyle in that series is imho quite annoying and won’t fit the realistic nature of the Legion models. They’d have to translate their look into one that fits Legion. Plus I don’t like the series overall with all the Jedi popping up constantly.

X-Wing, Destiny, and Imperial Assault have all done non-"cartoony" art of the characters for those games that looks just fine and fits. Based on those they would fit without issue into Legion.

Also, what do you mean Jedi popping up constantly? Kanan is the only true Jedi in the show with Ezra in training throughout the entire series. That's one Jedi and one kid in training.
The legends EU had dozens of Jedi that survived Order 66 and continued into the Rebellion era as well as tons of powerful Force Sensitives fighting for the Rebellion, yet I never see anyone complaining about that.

It's a a personal preference thing really, no right or wrong. I can understand why other people want to see things from Rebels, I'm just not one of them. EU had several Jedi yes, but really only Kyle Katarn in the Civil War era iirc and this was a character originally created for a PC game.

Rebels brought us 2 (out of 5) main characters that are Jedi & Padawan, regular occurances of Anakin's supposed apprentice Ahsoka (that was never even mentioned in the three movies that were focused entirely on Anakin, but again was created for a TV show targeting a younger audience). Then there are a bunch of lightsaber wielding 'inquisitors' all of a sudden. Now I fully understand that derivative works can't be carbon copies of the movies where nothing can be added to, but when one of the main themes of the OT was how the empire destroyed the Jedi and specifically Vader hunter all of them down, then I don't think its sensible to create a tv-series where multiple Jedi play leading roles and every episode involves a lightsaber in action. That's just my opinion though.

Kanan was a padawan on his first assignment when Order 66 went down.

He eventually becomes a Jedi through his own actions, but not through any formal Jedi process.

Ahsoka survived Order 66 because she left the Jedi before Episode III.

The Inquisitors also showed up in Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight with Kyle Katarn as the antagonists. Force Unleashed has early levels that involve a fair amount of Jedi that escaped Order 66. They were also apparently mentioned in the Star Wars radio play

The old EU had a bunch of characters that suddenly discovered they were force users, many of which would have been alive and potentially using the force unconsciously.

What Rebels did was bring these things into the new, smaller, more publicly available canon (being a TV show rather than a book or video game). I understand that that everyone has different opinions, all of which are equally valid, but I personally like the characters in Rebels.

Also it has been stated that they have to get rid of the force users by the end of the series to not contradict Tarkins quote in a new hope. So by the time (in universe) the OT starts it is true that all the Jedi have been wiped. It just took significantly longer than we originally thought.

On the inclusion of special non-commander characters: I would prefer them to be similar to runewars. They (or at least some of them) could come with 2 cards, one for fielding them as a separate unit and the other as a specialist upgrade for other units. In their separate version they could have slots for the others. So I could field Hera as a unit and decide to "equip" her with Kanan or do it the other way around (with different results). Others like Ezra or maybe even Chewbacca could be upgrade only.

4 hours ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Also it has been stated that they have to get rid of the force users by the end of the series to not contradict Tarkins quote in a new hope. So by the time (in universe) the OT starts it is true that all the Jedi have been wiped. It just took significantly longer than we originally thought.

On the inclusion of special non-commander characters: I would prefer them to be similar to runewars. They (or at least some of them) could come with 2 cards, one for fielding them as a separate unit and the other as a specialist upgrade for other units. In their separate version they could have slots for the others. So I could field Hera as a unit and decide to "equip" her with Kanan or do it the other way around (with different results). Others like Ezra or maybe even Chewbacca could be upgrade only.

They have to be dead as far as Tarkin knows if they want a literal meaning to that line, and he could be referencing more to the organization of the Jedi order itself rather than individual force users in hiding. Remember that Obi-Wan and Yoda are alive when Tarkin's line is delivered.

Hera, Chopper, and the Ghost are in canon confirmed to survive and be on Endor after RotJ (the Forces of Destiny Youtube show is considered canon fyi). Besides, given that Kanan is in a romantic relationship with Hera, is he even technically a "Jedi" in the traditional sense?

As to your Second point, I didn't know that was a thing in Runewars, but suggested a similar handling earlier, as I noticed the "Stormtrooper only" line on the included extra trooper card, implying they could later create Trooper upgrade cards that were a different model than the base unit.

30 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

the Forces of Destiny Youtube show is considered canon fyi

Unfortunately

I also hope Ghost crew doesn't get added. The idea of a large group of named characters cutting a path of destruction is not the type of game I want to play. Oh you got Luke, Ezra, and Kanan as half your points. Yea, that seems fun.

I envision Legion as a commander leading forces into battle. Not a handful of specialized soldiers who is capable of destroying an army by themselves. That's what IA is for.

9 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

I also hope Ghost crew doesn't get added. The idea of a large group of named characters cutting a path of destruction is not the type of game I want to play. Oh you got Luke, Ezra, and Kanan as half your points. Yea, that seems fun.

I envision Legion as a commander leading forces into battle. Not a handful of specialized soldiers who is capable of destroying an army by themselves. That's what IA is for.

Options is what it is all about, and that you still need 3 core units min, helps bring it back to the "commander leading forces into battle" somewhat. My bet is the trooper swarm will be very effective, since taking objectives is a key part to the game. So the game mechanics and rules will naturally have what you are asking.

With Vader and an AT-ST already over half the 800 points, the precedent has been set. I think giving more options so people can design a force that suits them (within the force org) will open the game to as many as possible. And I can't wait to see how the smaller elite teams will go against the trooper swarm lists (so I can see if my prediction is correct).

Variety is the spice of battle

@Caimheul1313 Yeah what I meant is that they seem to plan to rid of Kanan, Ezra and the Inquisitors until the end of rebels (6 or 8 episodes left) since Tarkin knows about all of them. Also Yoda pretty much confirms that Luke and Leia are the only potential Jedi left and he also knows about Kanan and Ezra, as does Obi-Wan. My point is that they made shure that rebels doesn't contradict the movies with all its lightsaber wielding force users.

12 hours ago, Timinater said:

Options is what it is all about, and that you still need 3 core units min, helps bring it back to the "commander leading forces into battle" somewhat. My bet is the trooper swarm will be very effective, since taking objectives is a key part to the game. So the game mechanics and rules will naturally have what you are asking.

With Vader and an AT-ST already over half the 800 points, the precedent has been set. I think giving more options so people can design a force that suits them (within the force org) will open the game to as many as possible. And I can't wait to see how the smaller elite teams will go against the trooper swarm lists (so I can see if my prediction is correct).

Variety is the spice of battle

3 corps still doesn't feel like enough to justify it. Not when you spend all your points on unique characters, which is the issue I have. An AT-ST and Vader are fine because it's a generic AT-ST. Maybe you got Weiss, but that's 10 points for an exhaust ability.

I wanted Legion to be the "unknown soldiers" type of game. I have my commander and a bunch of troops trying to secure an objective. It's like Armada. Sure, I have some named characters but largely my fleets are generic ships and squads.

But to each their own.

@Undeadguy I feel you since I also tend to like my battles being something in a far corner of the universe fought by Jon Doe and Joe Average and not the Universe shaping conflict of Luke and Fader. But I fear that the Selling point of the Star Wars Universe isn't its soldiers and spaceships but its characters. With the known guys they can market it significantly better to broad customer base. I really hate that special characters a pretty mandatory in all the FFG games.

25 minutes ago, LennoxPoodle said:

@Undeadguy I feel you since I also tend to like my battles being something in a far corner of the universe fought by Jon Doe and Joe Average and not the Universe shaping conflict of Luke and Fader. But I fear that the Selling point of the Star Wars Universe isn't its soldiers and spaceships but its characters. With the known guys they can market it significantly better to broad customer base. I really hate that special characters a pretty mandatory in all the FFG games.

The thing is it wouldn't be hard to satisfy both groups. They could have just as easily released a generic commander card with the General Veers expansion allowing you to field either. Also the people that want generic leaders don't seem to not want named heroes, so I don't understand the resistance to the idea.

I mean... Veers pretty much is a generic commander. Paint him and name him whatever way you want. If they release rieekan down the line same story.