1 hour ago, Nytwyng said:And WW wasn’t really all that good. It benefitted from lowered expectations and from not being quite as big of a mess as its predecessors in the franchise.
Imho it benefited mostly from Gal Gadot, because she was a perfect fit for WW. Being able to make the physical action rather good and believable.
On 6/3/2018 at 7:00 PM, Hercer said:The whole time from the first "your honor post" to the end you guys talk down on him and missuse your better knowledge of the english language to outmaneuver him.
Why dont you guys use google translator and switch to german lets see how smart you sound talking in his main language.
If he wrote what he wrote in German it would still be dumb and wrong.
Seine mangelnden Sprachkenntnisse sind sein Problem, nicht unseres.
9 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Imho it benefited mostly from Gal Gadot, because she was a perfect fit for WW. Being able to make the physical action rather good and believable.
I couldn’t disagree more. I don’t look at her and see Wonder Woman. I also don’t find her to have any charisma, screen presence, or acting ability.
As always, and as we see here, mileage varies.
18 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:I couldn’t disagree more. I don’t look at her and see Wonder Woman. I also don’t find her to have any charisma, screen presence, or acting ability.
As always, and as we see here, mileage varies.
It's not about her being the embodiment of the WW character from a looks perspective, it's about her combat action having actual fluidity of the real deal, the right muscle chains, it's not the cheer leading style of Daisy Ridley (she is impressive still), but with actual impact behind the movement. That's something very rarely seen and something very enjoyable for me, simply because nothing breaks harder immersion than when you see a fight scene and can't get out of your head how easy to beat the main character would be. Sparring with Gal Gadot looks like it would be something fun. The trench scene was still stupid. 
2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:It's not about her being the embodiment of the WW character from a looks perspective, it's about her combat action having actual fluidity of the real deal, the right muscle chains, it's not the cheer leading style of Daisy Ridley (she is impressive still), but with actual impact behind the movement. That's something very rarely seen and something very enjoyable for me, simply because nothing breaks harder immersion than when you see a fight scene and can't get out of your head how easy to beat the main character would be. Sparring with Gal Gadot looks like it would be something fun. The trench scene was still stupid.
When I say I don’t look at her and see Wonder Woman, I’m not just talking about “looks.” Her demeanor, her actions, and, yes, overall appearance...none of it says “Wonder Woman” to me. It says “generic sword and sorcery character.” But then, I’m not a huge fan of the “hack and slash” approach to the character that started creeping into the comics in the past decade or so, and that the movie franchise has grabbed and run with. So, I freely admit a starting bias against the character we’re getting on film. Casting an actress who doesn’t engage or interest me doesn’t help matters.
Glad you enjoyed it. For me, she’s just another reason that this lifelong DC comics fan is sorely disappointed by the current movie franchise.
I feel it's an appropriate time to share my First Amendment (Freedom Of Speech) Corollaries:
1: You may have Freedom of Speech, but everyone else has Freedom To Not Listen To You.
2: Freedom Of Speech also comes with Taking Responsibility For The ---- That Comes Out Of Your Mouth.
7 hours ago, Nytwyng said:We may even be finding ourselves close to the point that someone at LFL blatantly calls out the toxicity as Rick & Morty creator Dan Harmon has.
Well, I may indeed have been right.
On 6/5/2018 at 10:26 AM, Maelora said:Yeah, I think that's a plotline that's long overdue, considering how it's a staple of most sci-fi and SW has emotional droids with incredible depth of humanity... who then get treated poorly and passed over for medals. It was an obvious plot point when I set up my own game.
I thought the movie was... okay. I enjoyed it more because my expectations were absolutely zero. It was fun enough munching popcorn in the cinema, but it doesn't leave much impression afterwards. Donald Glover was good in it, and could probably carry his own movie. The rest was pretty forgettable.
It still baffles me, given that they specifically made their own new, shiny, 'Not Your Parent's Star Wars' era that they have such little interest in moving things forward. Why not tell us about the Scum and Villainy of the Force Awakens era? Why not give us new charming rogues and edgy outlaws? Why is everything always just regurgitated leftovers? Why not leave things to our imagination? The infamous Kessel Run was always more cool in my imagination than it could ever be on screen.
I note that the audience figures for the film were pretty mediocre. Maybe the film-makers will decide we need something more than reruns, reboots and retcons. Maybe they have a bit more faith in their new timeline and give us new creations, instead of mindlessly resurrecting garbage-tier characters like Darth Maul. Maybe they'll make a film that takes some risks, that has actual stakes, where we don't know who must live or die in advance.
But I doubt it. There's milk to be squeezed from the shrivelled nostalgia teat yet. ‘So we beat on, boats against the current, borne endlessly into the past...’
I just think it's probably dawning on them at Mouse HQ you can't just slap something together and put a brand label on it expecting gold anymore, too much content out there.
I'm sure behind the scenes there are some focus groups and analytics getting applied to what is going wrong.
On 6/5/2018 at 7:26 PM, Maelora said:It still baffles me, given that they specifically made their own new, shiny, 'Not Your Parent's Star Wars' era that they have such little interest in moving things forward. Why not tell us about the Scum and Villainy of the Force Awakens era? Why not give us new charming rogues and edgy outlaws? Why is everything always just regurgitated leftovers? Why not leave things to our imagination? The infamous Kessel Run was always more cool in my imagination than it could ever be on screen.
I note that the audience figures for the film were pretty mediocre. Maybe the film-makers will decide we need something more than reruns, reboots and retcons. Maybe they have a bit more faith in their new timeline and give us new creations, instead of mindlessly resurrecting garbage-tier characters like Darth Maul. Maybe they'll make a film that takes some risks, that has actual stakes, where we don't know who must live or die in advance.
But I doubt it. There's milk to be squeezed from the shrivelled nostalgia teat yet. ‘So we beat on, boats against the current, borne endlessly into the past...’
I couldn't agree more, its the nostalgia that made them appear the new TIEs just like the old one, the Star Destroyers like the old ones with minimal changes and waht made them make Solo the good guy and turn over the money. They should have created this movie with a new group of charaketers.
In episode 1-3 they slowly moved the way the ships look towards the Imperial area - they missed that opportunity in the new area just as they missed the opportinity to show us the careless Solo.
Young Han is a thief, murderer, and deserter.
10 hours ago, LordBritish said:Indeed. I think how some people treat others over the new stuff is awful. That is why I am largely of the opinion that people should be held accountable for their actions on the internet, as all abuse and bulling crimes, just because one has the capability to express an opinion shouldn't give a person full rein to hurl abuse at another.
Then again, fan is short for fanatic; and I find any kind of extremist inexcusable.
Fan might be short for fanatic, but theres a difference between racism, sexism and a fanatic over a movie.
Those that attacked Kelly Marie on instagram, and other media were not fans. They were racists and sexists. Please dont mix those 2. I really dont like the new area movies ( especially Ep 8 ) but i dont go out and insult the actors, the producers or anyone else. Claiming that someone did a bad job is one thing, attacking her becouse she is female and not"white" is a whole different thing.
The internet should not be a law free area where insults, racism and sexism goes unpunished.
6 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Young Han is a thief, murderer, and deserter.
Well he is a Thief and a Scoundrel for sure ... i personaly would go as far as calling him a murderer.
Hes also a deserter but he deserted the empire ... its not like they are fighting a just cause.
10 hours ago, LordBritish said:Indeed. I think how some people treat others over the new stuff is awful. That is why I am largely of the opinion that people should be held accountable for their actions on the internet, as all abuse and bulling crimes, just because one has the capability to express an opinion shouldn't give a person full rein to hurl abuse at another.
It does in the United States, just like people calling it out and beating it down with responses is.
I'm not interested in putting my boot on someone else's throat and telling them what they can say and not say or in advocating for the government to do it for me.
21 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Young Han is a thief, murderer, and deserter.
From this point of View, so are most of the heroes of the Rebellion. I mean from a certain point of view, the empires, he "murdered" everyone on the Death Star. Most of the officers of the rebellion are likewise deserters from the empire. And most of their equipment is stolen imperial gear, at least early on.
And I'll agree that Han was a thief, scoundrel, and deserter, but must agree to disagree about the murderer. In all the cases in the movie it was either him or his opponent. Beckett even said he was going to kill Han.
Han's always been a character who was mostly good, just very jaded and cynical. Yeah, he shot Greedo, but Greedo had pretty much made it plain he wanted to kill Han as well (this is ignoring the whole "who shot first" debacle). Yeah, he didn't want to get involved with rescuing Leia, but not wanting to risk your life for someone you know nothing about doesn't automatically make you a villain. Yeah, he just wanted to collect his long-overdue payment and get back to the guy he owed money to, but he choose to come back and help out in the Rebel's desperate last fight. He's always been a good character, just not to a fault (like, say, Luke).
Solo is about when he was more like Luke, more wide-eyed and idealistic, and is the story, at least in part, of how he developed that cynical, look-out-for-number-one attitude. And that's what makes the film work. I can't help but think of the fourth Pirates of the Carribean movie, centered on Jack Sparrow. While Jack Sparrow is a compelling character and Johnny Depp is almost always entertaining to watch, Jack Sparrow just isn't a main character. He's a foil, he needs another character to play off of to really work. That worked in the first three films when he had Will Turner to be the Luke to his Han, not so much in the fourth where the only one to play off, really, was the only-slightly-more-foilistic Barbossa. Solo did the smart thing and turned Han into main character material, and made Tobias Beckett his foil.
54 minutes ago, Kesendeja said:And I'll agree that Han was a thief, scoundrel, and deserter, but must agree to disagree about the murderer. In all the cases in the movie it was either him or his opponent. Beckett even said he was going to kill Han.
That doesn't stop it being murder.
Han engineered the confrontation with Beckett. He could have brought a stun weapon. He chose to go for the kill instead.
5 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:That doesn't stop it being murder.
Han engineered the confrontation with Beckett. He could have brought a stun weapon. He chose to go for the kill instead.
Heh good point, i have to agree - He was a thief, murderer and deserter ...
11 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:It's starting to reach a point where the folks that are still able to enjoy Star Wars want nothing to with a fandom that's got more toxic crap running through it than a badly-managed sewage treatment center.
Over on FORUM X, I said something like "Hey man, don't speak for me! I liked Last Jedi and Solo" and someone lost their goddamned mind, calling me f'ing garbage for liking a f'ing garbage film. I just said "You must be a lovely, charming person" and walked away. Just another example of this in action:
Unfortunately Gabe's theory leads to headlines like this: "Star Wars’ toxic fanbase may have driven The Last Jedi actress off Instagram"
Seriously, if someone elses opinion causes you to freak the **** out, you might need to take a step back and get some prospective. If someone stars in a movie you don't like? DON'T ******' HARASS THEM! I hated Ghostbusters '16 with the burning passion of a billion dying stars. Know what I didn't do? Get on twitter and call Leslie Jones an ape for being in that flick. Jesus Christ people, nothing is worse than being racist and sexist over a goddamned movie*!
*Actually, just don't be racist and sexist, period.
And it's not just the Star Wars fanbase that's toxic. Everything is a matter of extremes now. Either that movie is the masterpiece for the ages or it's utter dogshit. You're a gun toting bible thumper who loves to suck Trump's cock or your a tree hugging communist who wants to take everyone's money away and give it to the poor and the gay. There's no middle ground anymore.
Anyway, TL;DNR - I've pretty much checked out of all fandom, Star Wars or otherwise because I'm tired of dealing with all the bullshittery. Well, everywhere but here (and it makes me sad when people freak the **** out over movies and start name calling. to paraphrase MST3K, it's just a show and you should really just relax.)
6 minutes ago, Desslok said:Over on FORUM X, I said something like "Hey man, don't speak for me! I liked Last Jedi and Solo" and someone lost their goddamned mind, calling me f'ing garbage for liking a f'ing garbage film.
You aren't garbage waterbird...........
You're just stupid and eat it..........."By 2050, nearly every species of seabird will be accidentally eating plastic debris" https://oceana.org/blog/top-5-threats-penguins-–-and-what-you-can-do-help
Eh, what can I say. Them Six-Pack rings are ****ing tasty!
(Also, I'm shocked that the forum censors let "cock" through but nail the significantly less offensive "d i c k")
Edited by Desslok8 minutes ago, Desslok said:Eh, what can I say. Them Six-Pack rings are ****ing tasty!
(Also, I'm shocked that the forum censors let "cock" through but nail the significantly less offensive "d i c k")
Well it is an actual verb. cock cock cock.........wheeeee! I know what word people will use to insult each other now and it's @Desslok 's fault, yippee!
Edited by 2P516 minutes ago, Desslok said:Eh, what can I say. Them Six-Pack rings are ****ing tasty!
(Also, I'm shocked that the forum censors let "cock" through but nail the significantly less offensive "d i c k")
Back when they existed, the old DC Comics forums had similar profanity filters. Which meant that you couldn't call Nightwing/the original Robin - one of their longest-standing characters - by his civilian name.
8 minutes ago, 2P51 said:I know what word people will use to insult each other now and it's @Desslok 's fault, yippee!
Oh god, Pandora's box just opened and the only thing we are left with is cock. . . .
Edited by Desslok1 minute ago, Desslok said:Oh god, Pandora's box just opened and the only thing we are left with is cock. . . .
Crisp high five man, I love it. Well played for putting it out in the open....
1 hour ago, Desslok said:And it's not just the Star Wars fanbase that's toxic. Everything is a matter of extremes now. Either that movie is the masterpiece for the ages or it's utter dogshit. You're a gun toting bible thumper who loves to suck Trump's cock or your a tree hugging communist who wants to take everyone's money away and give it to the poor and the gay. There's no middle ground anymore.
And as we know, only a Sith deals in absolutes. The problem has become one whereby for a select group the new films can do no right and the old films were flawless by comparison, as we've seen with Waxfire's extended rants on how the Sequel Trilogy does everything wrong.
You know, it might be interesting for scientific purposes to take someone who has never heard of Star Wars, and thus possesses no bias on the films, to watch all eight (ten?) in order and see how they think they all stack up.