[Next Cycles] Possible narrative arc in the future !

By ReyD, in Arkham Horror: The Card Game

1 minute ago, Eldan985 said:

You know what would be out of the left field and they'd probably never do it? Adaptation of the game for a Sword and Sorcery Setting. Hyperborea, the Hyborian Age, Atlantis... Ithaqua would fit right in.

That would also be a great setting for Tsathoggua too, given that Clark Ashton Smith wrote alot of his Mythos tales in and around Hyperborea.

Ah yes. The great High Priest Clarkash-Ton.

42 minutes ago, Eldan985 said:

You know what would be out of the left field and they'd probably never do it? Adaptation of the game for a Sword and Sorcery Setting. Hyperborea, the Hyborian Age, Atlantis... Ithaqua would fit right in.

Well, they've already done some time-travel stuff in FA. I'd love to see a cycle involving archaeology in the Near East which would throw the investigators into Richard Tierney's "Simon of Gitta" setting (per The Gardens of Lucullus , identical with Glenn Rahman's milieu for "Rufus Hibernicus"), which is sword-and-yog-sothothery set in the Roman Empire at the start of the Common Era. Never gonna happen unless I make it myself, though. I could probably leverage some of the encounter cards from Guardians of the Abyss . Really, though, it's too tall an order--I've got too full a plate just playing this game.

I mean, time travel is one thing. IF you wrote the game to actually just be set in that era... you'd have to rewrite the player cards too.

I did see a full conversion of Eldritch Horror to the period of the bronze age collapse posted on a forum once. THat was massively fascinating. Every single card converted over to something fitting the time period, plus a new world map of the mediterranean and black sea.

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36 minutes ago, Eldan985 said:

I mean, time travel is one thing. IF you wrote the game to actually just be set in that era... you'd have to rewrite the player cards too.

I did see a full conversion of Eldritch Horror to the period of the bronze age collapse posted on a forum once. THat was massively fascinating. Every single card converted over to something fitting the time period, plus a new world map of the mediterranean and black sea.

The things people do for love.

There's actually a custom adventure up on Arkham Central with a D&D-style setting and additional rules and player cards to fit the milieu. It's called "Pathfinder: Strange Aeons."

antimarkonvnikov has well explained my way of thinking ^^

And about the fact there is no inuit in the land of antartica, no problem. FFG is easy with change some fact. Like the cavern of kn'yan and yoth in mexico, where Lovecraft put them in Oklahoma ...

This is real we have not a lot of things about Ithaqua to use in a full cycle, but that was true for Yig. In fact, yig was minor in the cycle, the temporal thematic was the point. Here, we know mountain of madness is a cold location, with an adventure feeling, and surely to be used with the amount of pre-existing arts. And as every cycle have his own ancient-one, we can surely say the mountain of madness would be the heart of the cycle, with Ithaqua similar to Yog in the previous cycle. When add the two thematics, we have enough for a full cycle : basic snow lands exploration, found an eldritch statue or corpse, cold horror in the camp before to get out, with the foundings we have arkham in winter, canada research about the cold curse, trip to the land in a dirigible, for the mountain of madness, escape in cold cavern, and as the habitual final in an extradimensional place : borea.

3 hours ago, Eldan985 said:

Vous savez ce qui serait en dehors du champ gauche et ils ne le feraient probablement jamais? Adaptation du jeu pour un cadre d'épée et de sorcellerie. Hyperborée, l’âge hyborien, l’Atlantide ... Ithaqua ferait bien son affaire.

How yes, I would really like it. Yig cycle teasing us similar things, with atlantis, and snake people, but not really explore the idea. But I think Tsathoggua is a better ancient one for this thematic. He is the more important ancient one of Hyperborea, a land which was before luxuriant, full of sorcerers and with dinosaur !!! I really want it.

Honnestly, out of the using of the major ones : cthulhu, shub, dreamlands, antartica, and perhaps egypt ( but guaridan of abyss let us doubt ) .... I expect Tsathoggua to be used in a cycle, with Ghattanothoa and Glaaki in others ^^

Those ones are my favorites out of the more common.

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edit : sorry, I repeated you, just no see there was a third page ^^

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There won't be an Egypt themed cycle. FFG already used all their Egyptian art assets on Guardians of the Abyss.

The next cycle is going to be Dreamlands followed by Mountains of Madness and then Innsmouth, which will include sea travel and a visit to R'lyeh.

I would be so happy if we got an Ithaqua themed cycle. Feels like you could hit At the Mountains Of Madness elements at the same time with that cycle if they wanted. Not sure any investigators have overt ties to either Ithaqua or the Elder Things. I'll have the review my Investigators of Arkham book. I think maybe George Barnaby's story had some tie to Ithaqua, but I might be misremembering it.

I wonder how long this game can go without doing an Innsmouth/R'lyeh cycle :) Not to be a Lovecraft hipster, but I love it when elements other than Cthulhu and the Deep Ones get explored since it feels like everyone goes to those elements first. It's refreshing to see stuff about Tsathoggua, Yig or Ithaqua. That said an Innsmouth cycle is surely coming considering we have tons of investigators with R'lyeh in their backstory like Silas, Amanda, Trish ...

I'd also love a cycle centered on the Dreamland. I think there's many fun angles you can explore there with this game and the way it's structured.

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1 hour ago, Sindriss said:

There won't be an Egypt themed cycle. FFG already used all their Egyptian art assets on Guardians of the Abyss.

I sadly agree with this.

I'm not convinced that Dreamlands are up next, though. I think Innsmouth/Big C is more likely. But they could totally surprise us with some Mi-Go thing in Vermont or who knows?

If they do Ithaqua(and I expect it eventually) it will be set in Canada/Alaska. We know this because in at least two of the other games, both Eldritch Horror and Elder Sign - that is where they have set the Ithaqua storyline. The Antarctic/South Pole is the site for the Plateau of Leng and the Elder Things.

1 hour ago, Carthoris said:

I sadly agree with this.

I'm not convinced that Dreamlands are up next, though. I think Innsmouth/Big C is more likely. But they could totally surprise us with some Mi-Go thing in Vermont or who knows?

My reasoning is that The Dunwich Legacy falls into a category I call Arkham , which includes Lovecraftian America (Innsmouth, Kingsport, Arkham, Dunwich)

Carcosa falls into the category of weird (unorthadox mechanics, cosmic themes)

The Forgotten Age is in the Expedition category (Indiana Jones, Ruins, Adventure)

The Circle Undone returns us to Arkham .

Following this trend I have speculated on the following release schedule:

Arkham = Dunwich Legacy
Weird = Path to Carcosa
Expedition = Forgotten Age
Arkham =The Circle Undone
Weird = Dreamlands
Expedition = Mountains of Madness
Arkham = Shadow Over Innsmouth
Weird = ??
Expedition = Under the Pyramids (I wish)

2 hours ago, Sindriss said:

There won't be an Egypt themed cycle. FFG already used all their Egyptian art assets on Guardians of the Abyss.

The next cycle is going to be Dreamlands followed by Mountains of Madness and then Innsmouth, which will include sea travel and a visit to R'lyeh.

I am not sure we will never seen egypt in this LCG, because the awakening of nephren-ka is teased in this pack. Two ideas : - a nyarlathotep cycle. Where the shining trapezohedron would be central, and egypt would not be the main place. Just let see Nephren-ka, but before to face the star wisdom church and the Haunter of the dark avatar, in England or USA. The other idea is an alternate type of product, like a series of deluxe of independant scenarios where every unity show us a different avatar of nyarlathotep and a different place, so possibly the sequel to the GoA pack.

And for the next cycles, you are very afirmativ in your idea. Some leaks in your answer ?? more seriously, this not uncoherent. I would like it ^^ but strange to not have guard the Fern for the next cycle if he is really the next. I would more say Mountain / cthulhu / dreamlands, but one of us is right I think.

24 minutes ago, Sindriss said:

Arkham = Dunwich Legacy
Weird = Path to Carcosa
Expedition = Forgotten Age
Arkham =The Circle Undone
Weird = Dreamlands
Expedition = Mountains of Madness
Arkham = Shadow Over Innsmouth
Weird = ??
Expedition = Under the Pyramids (I wish)

Based on what has currently come out I’m wondering if they are going to go in a cycle of Easy/New Player Friendly -> Medium/Mess with Existing Expectations -> Hard. That way there’s both a good jumping in point for new players and a tough challenge for veterans every 18 months or so.

I wish they would just keep the difficulty tied to the Chaos Bag (that's what the difficulty levels are for) but giving us a mixture of traditional campaigns and ones which mess with expectations more would be welcome.

35 minutes ago, Sindriss said:

Arkham = Dunwich Legacy

Weird = Path to Carcosa
Expedition = Forgotten Age
Arkham =The Circle Undone
Weird = Dreamlands
Expedition = Mountains of Madness
Arkham = Shadow Over Innsmouth
Weird = ??
Expedition = Under the Pyramids (I wish)

I'd be super excited if the next cycle was set in Kingsport and featured the Dreamlands. That would be great and very different from all the previous cycles. That said there's plenty to explore and I like to be surprised. It would be nice to see what they do with something like Yuggoth and the Mi-Go or Shudde M’ell.

It's worth mentioning that Sindriss' wishlist alone gets us well past LOTR LCG in regard to currently released content. If we get that far I'll be pretty happy. There are about approximately 28 investigators currently in the Arkham Files world that haven't yet appeared in a deluxe box. If they don't add any more investigators to the world (unlikely) they will just about have all of them covered by the end of the list.

Actually I would say there is a pattern in physical threats vs more mystical stuff.

Dreamlands would be too similar to the Circle.

14 hours ago, Sindriss said:

Mon raisonnement est que The Dunwich Legacy tombe dans une catégorie que j'appelle Arkham , qui comprend l'Amérique lovecraftienne (Innsmouth, Kingsport, Arkham, Dunwich)

Carcosa tombe dans la catégorie de l' étrange (mécanique unorthadox, thèmes cosmiques)

The Forgotten Age est dans la catégorie Expedition (Indiana Jones, Ruins, Adventure)

Le cercle non réalisé nous ramène à Arkham .

In fact, I am not sure about all this. My heart balance between two way of thinking. The yours, with the Arkham/weird/expedition and another.

But when we look, the structure of the first known Arkham cycle ( dunwich ) and the first Weird ( carcosa ), we have a similar one, with 4 scenario in Arkham ( Yes, I count the train as Arkham ) Then 3 scenario in a same place out of arkham, but generally from the normal world ( dunwich, France ) and a final in an eldritch place. So the differences between Arkham cycles and Weird one is pretty thin. After all, all cycles of a lovecraftian feeling would be weird. Circle Undone would be Arkham cycle, because the full cycle seem to be in Arkham, but our trip in a secondary world, the spectral one seem pretty weird as we do in carcosa cycle for the exploration of madness.

As the game is still young, there is a possibily that Arkham and weird cycle are the same type in fact, just the game was exploring two cycles of this type before to try anoter tonality, with the Expedition one. And if we look, with Dunwich and The King of Yellow we have thematic that was explored in the Arkham Horror 2nd edition board game, when Yig and Kn'yan are show in the Eldritch Horror borad game. So perhaps the division is just between these two tonality.

Or perhaps what you call the weird type is just something between the arkham scale ( with just lovecraft countries, kingsport, dunwich, insmouth ) and the eldritch scale ( expedition in unicivilised or ancient places, as Egypt, Entartica, China, Hyperborea) as a mondial scale ( about world place of today, modern and urban but out of the lovecraftian countries with France, Japan, the Severn in england ) .

Moreover, Dreamlands are not surely a Weird type cycle. Dreamlands in not a torned vision of a world, it's in my mind a completly different place, even if this land that is a mirror of our world, we directly walk in it, when the weird is more like carcosa, an interior, remnant feeling that is out of normality.

Dreamlands is between this and an expedition one. As this is a land with her own rules, and the Guardian of Abyss pack give us the dreamlands with an exploration feeling, perhaps a teasing of the way FFG will use it somedays.

Well, it seems quite likely that at least the last adventure and maybe even the second-to-last will be in a different world as well. Just from the names.

We're only at the deluxe box of the fourth cycle. It's too early to establish a three-cycle pattern. Sure, (Arkham / Weird / Expedition) fits what we have so far, but so does (Wizards / Maniacs / Non-Humans) or (New England / Non-Lovecraft Ancient One / Snakes).

2 hours ago, rsdockery said:

We're only at the deluxe box of the fourth cycle. It's too early to establish a three-cycle pattern. Sure, (Arkham / Weird / Expedition) fits what we have so far, but so does (Wizards / Maniacs / Non-Humans) or (New England / Non-Lovecraft Ancient One / Snakes).

Yeah, that second Snake cycle is gonna be a doozy!

21 minutes ago, Carthoris said:

Yeah, that second Snake cycle is gonna be a doozy!

The first setup instruction for scenario 1 is "Find your Forgotten Age campaign log and write the number of tally marks under Yig's Fury into the Serpents' Revenge box of the new campaign log."

I am also inclined to think the sample size is too small to really see a pattern if there is one. That said I'll support any pattern that gets us to a Dreamland cycle sooner rather than later.

5 hours ago, rsdockery said:

We're only at the deluxe box of the fourth cycle. It's too early to establish a three-cycle pattern. Sure, (Arkham / Weird / Expedition) fits what we have so far, but so does (Wizards / Maniacs / Non-Humans) or (New England / Non-Lovecraft Ancient One / Snakes).

Yup I am probably way off. Just going off of past Arkham games and what Matt has said about wanting to take a break from exploration for awhile. We will see what happens.