So... How many pips do you think Luke used to extend Misdirect range (assuming 3 ranks of range), and what would that make his force rating?

(actually I just kinda think its cool that this 'new' power can be represented using the existing system... same with Kylo and his 'bind' power from TFA, especially if you consider that to pull of the power without dealing damage, it would mean he is NOT spending Dark Side pips)

Lukes force rating has got to be 10+, and probably needed to activate his Range 3 about 10 times, plus took twice (or thrice, it did kill him after all) his threshold in strain, and used most of the groups destiny points

45 minutes ago, Silidus said:

So... How many pips do you think Luke used to extend Misdirect range (assuming 3 ranks of range), and what would that make his force rating?

(actually I just kinda think its cool that this 'new' power can be represented using the existing system... same with Kylo and his 'bind' power from TFA, especially if you consider that to pull of the power without dealing damage, it would mean he is NOT spending Dark Side pips)

I think Luke's PC said he was ready to retire the PC, and wanted to go out in a badass way, but his PC was still stranded on Plot Island. So he asked if he could play fast and loose with the rules and the GM, being a good GM, and knowing that the character was going out anyway, said "Sure, Fu*k it, go for it man, I'll roll with whatever you've got in mind." And then the player squeed with glee, and proceeded to act out the final sequence. Saying goodbye to the other PC's at the table before having his Big Dam* Hero moment.

I love it. Spends groups Destiny points, transfers all remaining strain and HP (which should totally be a mechanics btw... 6 strain to roll an extra Force Die), and dumps all 20+ Die worth of force pips into range x3 to make it truly a galactic range power.

You know, I actually think there's room to expand the Force Powers, kind of like Signature Abilities for Careers. Replicate how Joruus C'baoth turned Battle Meditation and Influence into making people meat puppets, Darth Vader Force Choking people through comm screens, Luke using Misdirect from across the galaxy, etc.

There is simply a force power allows to enhance the range of other force powers. Palp had this ritual, Mother Talzin had her own form, Luke had something like it and most likely all needed a personal connection to their target. Though it is very clear that Luke had a very strong bond to Kylo Ren, so that should not be a problem and old Palpy had Dooku to connect with Yoda, etc

And Snoke? He was a master of that power, because he seemed to did not need this personal connection which all other force users in canon had or even stated that they need it to increase their range to a truly galactic scale.

Luke's also sitting (literary) on a Vergence. Probably one of the most powerful in the Galaxy.

Does F&D have rules for vergences, by the way?

1 hour ago, Cifer said:

Does F&D have rules for vergences, by the way?

Nexus of Power. Each vergence is essentially unique, though, and their general schtick is "break the rules", so they are definitely more in the lines of "guidelines"...

38 minutes ago, coyote6 said:

Nexus of Power. Each vergence is essentially unique, though, and their general schtick is "break the rules", so they are definitely more in the lines of "guidelines"...

Now I want to make a Jedi, or possibly a Sith, inspired by Jeffery Rush's Captain from Pirates of the Caribbean

9 minutes ago, KungFuFerret said:

Now I want to make a Jedi, or possibly a Sith, inspired by Jeffery Rush's Captain from Pirates of the Caribbean

2 minutes ago, ErikModi said:

Funny thing is I apparently saw that post a year ago, as I checked and I liked it. Still, nice to have the idea refreshed in my memory. I swear, I loved his character in the 2nd and 3rd films. He was just so much darn fun. Everyone else was running around "OMG We're gonna dieee!!" and he's just laughing his head off "I've already died, twice! I have zero F's to give about that possibility!! MMMUAHAHAHAH!!"

9 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

There is simply a force power allows to enhance the range of other force powers. Palp had this ritual, Mother Talzin had her own form, Luke had something like it and most likely all needed a personal connection to their target. Though it is very clear that Luke had a very strong bond to Kylo Ren, so that should not be a problem and old Palpy had Dooku to connect with Yoda, etc

And Snoke? He was a master of that power, because he seemed to did not need this personal connection which all other force users in canon had or even stated that they need it to increase their range to a truly galactic scale.

You don't really need to add a new force power for range, just give the powers in question a new upgrade at the bottom of the tree, like Battle Meditation has, that lets you switch the scale from personal to planetary. Since Extreme Planetary range basically has no real end range to it, if you have enough pips to boost the range to that level, as the GM, I'd pretty much let you do whatever. That's a huge XP investment, a massive amount of Force pips devoted to range, which will limit what you can actually do, if you've invested that much XP into being a long range Force user, I think it's fair to let you actually do that.

Rian Johnson has meanwhile cleared it up - Luke's using an advanced Force power, that was established in The Jedi Path.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-2010-book-established-the-force-abilities-luke-has-in-1822233606

So, it's not Misdirect, it's a different Force power, that could possibly have just a lot of Range upgrades in its tree.

And, again, the director shows better background-knowledge than most of the haters ...

On 1/20/2018 at 2:15 AM, Sunrider said:

Rian Johnson has meanwhile cleared it up - Luke's using an advanced Force power, that was established in The Jedi Path.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-2010-book-established-the-force-abilities-luke-has-in-1822233606

So, it's not Misdirect, it's a different Force power, that could possibly have just a lot of Range upgrades in its tree.

And, again, the director shows better background-knowledge than most of the haters ...

I don't even think you have to make it a "new power". What he's doing is essentially the force ghost thing, just before he's dead. Regardless, I think trying to stat that out is futile, there are such things as GM fiat and ignoring rules for the sake of the story. Doing that killed Luke, given how incredibly taxing it was for him. If a player at my table wanted to do this, I'd be like "sure, but it's going to require you being at a Force nexus, and it's most likely going to kill your PC. If you want to go out in a blaze of glory kind of cool illusion way, I'm all for it. If you're wanting to be able to just do this as casually as you do things like force Move or Enhance, then no."

It's a Heroic Sacrifice move at the climax of a movie facing off with the Enemy You Created, at the All Is Lost Moment. Rules don't really apply in those type situations, or at least they shouldn't in storytelling.

On 1/20/2018 at 7:15 PM, Sunrider said:

And, again, the director shows better background-knowledge than most of the haters ...

Star Wars does have a bit of a revolving door for canon. You could find anything to support your case in the lore; films, visual dictionaries, colouring books, novels, twitter posts, role playing games, etc.

7 hours ago, masterstrider said:

You could find anything to support your case in the lore;

Which makes all the 'canon-breaking aspects' and 'make VIII non-canon' postings all the more nonsensical.

9 hours ago, masterstrider said:

Star Wars does have a bit of a revolving door for canon. You could find anything to support your case in the lore; films, visual dictionaries, colouring books, novels, twitter posts, role playing games, etc.

Considering it was left wide open for 30ish years for every hack writer to come up with whatever they wanted, and it basically all got a greenlight to be published, yeah it's kind of difficult to sift through canon in my opinion. As you can have writers with completely different interpretations of the same thing, but since both got published, they are both "canon". And since a lot of that stuff was on the caliber of fanfic, I tend to ignore all of it and stick to just the movies if I absolutely have to have a canon debate, which I try not to. It just makes things a lot easier, and less messy.

10 hours ago, Sunrider said:

Which makes all the 'canon-breaking aspects' and 'make VIII non-canon' postings all the more nonsensical.

Agreed. I just took it for what it was; story magic! They own the franchise and it's their story, so they can do as they please.

"Whenever something happens that you can't explain...a wizard did it."

7 hours ago, KungFuFerret said:

Considering it was left wide open for 30ish years for every hack writer to come up with whatever they wanted, and it basically all got a green light to be published, yeah it's kind of difficult to sift through canon in my opinion. As you can have writers with completely different interpretations of the same thing, but since both got published, they are both "canon". And since a lot of that stuff was on the caliber of fanfic, I tend to ignore all of it and stick to just the movies if I absolutely have to have a canon debate, which I try not to. It just makes things a lot easier, and less messy.

I know, right? People need to take a chill-pill and relax.

You cannot really have a canon debate with Star Wars. Canon used to be: whatever George Lucas said it was. Now, it's whatever Kathleen Kennedy says it is. The rest is just conjecture and opinion.

I think the debate is more around: mood and theme. Does X action fit the narrative. In truth, the Star Wars has differing narratives, told in different ways. The Prequel series is vastly different in tone, mood and meaning than the original series. And this new edition from Disney is also it's own style of story. I think Star Wars fans are pushing $hit up a hill if they think that Disney is ever going to bring back the "glory days" feel of the original trilogy. That time and era has long gone and they're writing for newer, more vacuous, audiences.

8 hours ago, masterstrider said:

In truth, the Star Wars has differing narratives, told in different ways.

The good thing is: SW has room for almost every kind of narrative - that's one of the things that made it successful. If anything, the old EU showed that the setting doesn't break, however bad the writing.

To me, the era between VI and VII is the most appealing to RP in, as there's a lot more room for stories besides the Rebellion vs. Empire thing.

7 hours ago, Sunrider said:

The good thing is: SW has room for almost every kind of narrative - that's one of the things that made it successful. If anything, the old EU showed that the setting doesn't break, however bad the writing.

To me, the era between VI and VII is the most appealing to RP in, as there's a lot more room for stories besides the Rebellion vs. Empire thing.

I think even in the middle of the galactic civil war you can do just fine stories besides the rebellion vs Empire. Canto Bight profited even in that times, the Hutts did not care much about the conflict, black sun prospered until they took a little bit to much sides, etc ;-)

The galaxy is so big that destruction of Alderaan is smaller issue on galactic scale than the bombing of Dresden or Nanking to our world. People just don't care, when it is far enough away from them. Sectors consist of thousands of more or less prospering worlds, the galaxy has a thousand sectors … meanwhile a sector fleets are small enough to be unable to have enough capital ships for every planet in their sector. And with capitals I mean even small stuff like Vigil-Class corvettes or Arquitens cruisers. Star destroyers? They have iirc about a dozen or so per sector, plus some ships in task forces independence of the sector fleets.

Just hop into a campaign in the corporate sector and you get rid of most of the empire vs rebellion plot or go even further and travel into the unknown regions or just wild space, which harbors whole empires which not have had even contact with the empire yet … half the time the star wars writer forget the giant scale of a galaxy, but when they remember, they can do quite outlandish stuff and still fit it into the setting. I love the old Han Solo and Lando Novels for example, especially because they have little to do with the empire vs rebellion plot or anything of the established universe outside of Han and Lando.