6 hours ago, HammerGibbens said:

Can't stress this enough.

A PS10 Nym has nearly perfect information and FOUR locations per round to choose from to drop/launch his bomb. "Guessing" where to place your bomb reactively with near perfect info like that is exactly why they nerfed SLAM bombs, and also why TS Genius is such a problematic combo.

Exactly. Take a mat and just mess around a bit. Even if you line up a large base ship, tuck it in a corner for deployment and do a 3 bank bail towards the middle in the first two turns, Nym can easily hit you on turn 2 doing only a 2 forward and BR in the first turn and a 3 bank the 2nd turn. Look at how much area he can spam a bomb using a 3 bank + TS. He can still fling it forward before revealing and BR at the end to avoid it after moving. And you still have Miranda on the hunt to worry about.

19 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

Seems like it's a combination of things:

3) Harpoons don't require one to spend the Target Lock, allowing a highly accurate 4-die attack.

5-die for Miranda... :-)

7 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I feel like a 7-8 TIE swarm would probably do well against this list, but they're pushed out of the meta by other factors.

For instance, that they are pushed out of the meta by things like this exact list.

17 minutes ago, Keffisch said:

For instance, that they are pushed out of the meta by things like this exact list.

Yep. Proton bombs + two ps8+ harpoons makes for a very sad swarm.

13 hours ago, AceWing said:

Metagames are cyclical

Metagames are cynical

FTFY.

12 hours ago, wurms said:

The problem is Nym should never of had an EPT to begin with. Playtesters are dumb.

The designers had nostalgia for some video game and wanted to NYM to play like the video game on the table.

Nymranda is a level of unfun I haven't encountered in a long time. Long time.

DenTel got nerfed for scratching the surface of what Nymranda does.

10 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

The designers had nostalgia for some video game and wanted to NYM to play like the video game on the table.

I think video game nostalgia has ruined this game. Nym is really stupid broken, and his ship and all the Galaxies ships don't even look like Star Wars. People came up to me yesterday and asked what I was playing because they couldn't tell it was Star Wars. All the best ships in the game are weird stupid stuff from old video games.

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Well, I'm off to play with my GUNBOATS! Because GUNBOATS are totally StarWars-ey, wholesome, fair, and balanced.

17 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

I think video game nostalgia has ruined this game. Nym is really stupid broken, and his ship and all the Galaxies ships don't even look like Star Wars. People came up to me yesterday and asked what I was playing because they couldn't tell it was Star Wars. All the best ships in the game are weird stupid stuff from old video games.

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Well, I'm off to play with my GUNBOATS! Because GUNBOATS are totally StarWars-ey, wholesome, fair, and balanced.

Not sure if sarcasm on the Gunboat front, but I do think Imperial releases have been extremely on-point lately with respect to striking a good balance between point cost, mechanics, and fun factor.

1 minute ago, RampancyTW said:

Not sure if sarcasm on the Gunboat front, but I do think Imperial releases have been extremely on-point lately with respect to striking a good balance between point cost, mechanics, and fun factor.

Kylo Crew is the only Empire specific ship/pilot/crew/upgrade/ect that is even a bit salty to me. I think it should be errated to work like Boba Fett crew card where you actually have to be dealt a faceup damage card. I'm fine trading that errata to taking Palp back to his original form and making Wampa great again.

7 minutes ago, viedit said:

Kylo Crew is the only Empire specific ship/pilot/crew/upgrade/ect that is even a bit salty to me. I think it should be errated to work like Boba Fett crew card where you actually have to be dealt a faceup damage card. I'm fine trading that errata to taking Palp back to his original form and making Wampa great again.

Kylo working like that would be utter garbage. People initially thought that's how he would work and at first they couldn't believe FFG made a card this bad. It was only when they realised that critical damage does not equal a faceup damage card that the opinion about Kylo changed. That said, I don't like the fact that Kylo deals damage through shields as it's needlessly punishing for the likes of Corran, Inquisitor or even Poe. I'd be totally fine if the targeted ship was dealt damage normally and only resolved the text on the chosen card without it being actually assigned. I guess devs thought it would be too complicated.

11 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I feel like a 7-8 TIE swarm would probably do well against this list, but they're pushed out of the meta by other factors.

30 minutes ago, RampancyTW said:

Not sure if sarcasm on the Gunboat front, but I do think Imperial releases have been extremely on-point lately with respect to striking a good balance between point cost, mechanics, and fun factor.

My whole first paragraph was dead serious. The second was a bit tongue-in-cheek.

It was sarcasm, just not about game balance. I agree that from a pure game balance perspective the GUNBOAT is fine.

My point was that nostalgia for rather obscure parts of the lore, on many fronts, has led to this game not really looking that StarWars-ey.

As much as I love them, my GUNBOATS are part of the problem.

I'm surprised Miranda has lasted this long considering the number of X/Miranda lists that have become popular since her release.

6 minutes ago, Henshini said:

I'm surprised Miranda has lasted this long considering the number of X/Miranda lists that have become popular since her release.

The exact same thing can be said for Nym. Is no surprise that they’re being flown together.

2 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

The exact same thing can be said for Nym. Is no surprise that they’re being flown together.

At least Nym is still relatively new, from wave XI. Miranda is from wave VII!

8 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

As much as I love them, my GUNBOATS are part of the problem.

FWIW, I didn't play (or even see) the videogames, and never saw a Gunboat before the ship was announced by FFG.

I'd have no problem recognizing the Gunboat as a Star Wars ship, though. The Lambda is strong in its DNA.

The least Star Wars-y ship, IMO, is the StarViper. I initially despised the looks of that ship, and now it's quite possibly my favorite model of all of them. It grew on me like a fungus. Honorable Mentions for "not Star Wars-y" are the YV-666 and the Kimogila. They are heinous.

4 hours ago, Thormind said:

5-die for Miranda... :-)

Yes Miranda must DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!

27 minutes ago, Lightrock said:

3 minutes ago, Jeff Wilder said:

FWIW, I didn't play (or even see) the videogames, and never saw a Gunboat before the ship was announced by FFG.

I'd have no problem recognizing the Gunboat as a Star Wars ship, though. The Lambda is strong in its DNA.

The least Star Wars-y ship, IMO, is the StarViper. I initially despised the looks of that ship, and now it's quite possibly my favorite model of all of them. It grew on me like a fungus. Honorable Mentions for "not Star Wars-y" are the YV-666 and the Kimogila. They are heinous.

Most of the scum stuff is way out there to me...Shadowcaster, YV, Kimogila, Misthunter, Starviper. None of those strike me as particularly Star Wars universe'y.

23 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

My point was that nostalgia for rather obscure parts of the lore, on many fronts, has led to this game not really looking that StarWars-ey.

As much as I love them, my GUNBOATS are part of the problem.

Respectfully disagree. Not only were assault gunboats an absolute staple of the LucasArts flight sims (rather less obscure, at least to the 30 years and older crowd, than anything from Battlefront/Galaxies), they look like Star Wars ships. That's subjective, I realize, but the resemblance to the Lambda is strong enough that even if you'd never played TIE Fighter, you'd be able to draw the parallel.

12 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

Like lists that can fling bombs around left and right and do extra damage with them thanks to Sabine.

Wait...

I never said a traditional Howlrunner swarm. A list of 4 Academies and 4 Obsidians, which uses the old damage deck (causing the Protons to pull things like Injured Pilots and Munitions Failures) and avoids bunching up into easily bombed groups, seems like it would be able to put damage through at get Nym off the table pretty fast.

However, they would then get murdered by reinforced Auzitucks.

1 hour ago, Henshini said:

I'm surprised Miranda has lasted this long considering the number of X/Miranda lists that have become popular since her release.

She just has a very versatile kit. Built-in regeneration, a crew slot, a missile, two torpedoes, two bomb slots, and a turret slot, plus a durable chassis and a reasonably high pilot skill. Every time a new toy comes out, there's a pretty good chance she can use it.

The only thing holding Miranda back, and why FFG has not nerfed her, is because Jumpmasters were so dominant and kept her "in check" so to speak (second at Worlds twice). Now that Torp Boats are gone, Miranda has free rein.

1 hour ago, PhantomFO said:

She just has a very versatile kit. Built-in regeneration, a crew slot, a missile, two torpedoes, two bomb slots, and a turret slot, plus a durable chassis and a reasonably high pilot skill. Every time a new toy comes out, there's a pretty good chance she can use it.

What I meant was that I was surprised she didn't get nerfed along side the jumpmasters.

14 hours ago, RampancyTW said:

Not sure if sarcasm on the Gunboat front, but I do think Imperial releases have been extremely on-point lately with respect to striking a good balance between point cost, mechanics, and fun factor.

The Kimogila looks about right gamewise as well, maybe even underpowered.

@Jeff Wilder The YV666 is the luxury Sandcrawler in space, f'd up ugly rustbucket, what is not SW about it? The Kimogila looks hideous from the bow 1) but the raw brutal utilitarian look with exposed fuel-lines etc fits SW well. The fugly Hutt paint scheme...rather not.

But tastes are different - which is good!

1) Have some mod idea for this, just need to find the time to realise the idea