2 hours ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

You can call them 'bad', 'overpowered', 'dangerous' or 'nerf-worthy', but I have respect for the person that comes up with the list that shakes up the meta so unforgivingly. Every time a new 'OP' list is triggering people, I just like the idea that X-wing is changing.

Well... you are wrong.

This list isn't difficult to come up with. You take two of the most powerful ships in the game , slap some of the most powerful upgrades in the game on them, and you are done.

From the first preview I said Nym is going to be a problem. It is. Despite being nerfed. Miranda is obnoxious as well. What is respectable about realizing these facts, and using them to your advantage? If anything, I lose respect for people who touch these ships.

21 minutes ago, Captain Pellaeon said:

But...

I only meant that Nym usually has Extra Munitions, so he gets to double-up each equipped bombs. The variant I had seen used both Protons and Ion Bombs, so with EM he gets 4 total. And with the Genius+Trajectory combo, he can deploy them at a 5-straight after executing his maneuver, with almost perfect knowledge of whether it will hit.

He is limited by the one bomb per turn rule, but that almost doesn't matter when he gets to follow the bomb up with his normal attack.

4 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

Well... you are wrong.

[...] I lose respect for people who touch these ships.

2 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

I only meant that Nym usually has Extra Munitions, so he gets to double-up each equipped bombs. The variant I had seen used both Protons and Ion Bombs, so with EM he gets 4 total. And with the Genius+Trajectory combo, he can deploy them at a 5-straight after executing his maneuver, with almost perfect knowledge of whether it will hit.

He is limited by the one bomb per turn rule, but that almost doesn't matter when he gets to follow the bomb up with his normal attack.

I stand corrected.

Still, my other 2 points should be valid. Genius-ing Traj Sim launches and TLT triggering Poons is a stupid gimmick abusing not stict enough wording.

1 minute ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

2 minutes ago, Captain Pellaeon said:

I stand corrected.

Still, my other 2 points should be valid. Genius-ing Traj Sim launches and TLT triggering Poons is a stupid gimmick abusing not stict enough wording.

Wow, I didn't know that RAW allowed for TLT to trigger the condtion of poon cards, That is something that needs FAQed right away. I thought the wording was when suffering an uncacnelled crit it triggers the condition, but with TLT its roll 3 dice and then only suffer one hit.

6 minutes ago, RufusDaMan said:

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Enjoying the Meme Wars

Having only played against this list once, the best strategy I have come up with is to go all out towards miranda in the beggining. Nym is not that good with TLT and limited bombs. Most ships should be able to beat him in the end game since he has no regen. Miranda however has all sorts of shenaninnigans. Killing her also reduces the firepower of Nym's bombs (which he only has 4 of).
IF you can trade miranda for 2/3rds of your list you should hopefully win.

5 minutes ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

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Are you sure the initial statement is true? (**See edit below, I think it might be after all**) A lot of the streams showed Nym + Miranda but a quick glance at regional winners for the last few months looks like Imperial Aces are dominant, especially Quickdraw and Vader. There was a lot of PS11 QD flying around, who can move out of the way of drop on reveal and Genius / Trajectory bombs.

PIttsburgh Regional - Palp Aces (Duncan)

Cesena, Emilia-Romagna (Italy) - Dash / Nym

Dutch Nationals - Palp Aces

Fresno Regional - Palp Aces (Palpoons)

Austin Regional - QD + Gunboats

Cardiff - Nym/Miranda

Salt Lake City - Nym/Miranda

Tricity Regionals - Rey / Poe

Calgary - Nym/Miranda

Linkoping - Vader / QD / Pure Sabacc

San Antonio - Palp Aces

Netherlands - Chewbacca / Poe

Chicago - Norra / Fenn Rau / Poe

Montpellier France - Countdown / QD / Vynder

Nantes France - Rex / Pava / Kyrell / Braylen

Arizona - Nym / Miranda

**Does add some more Nym/Miranda. Three basic things show up consistently - Palp Aces (usually QD and Inquisitor or Vader), Nym/Miranda, and Poe + 1 (usually fat turret). From this perspective I can see Nym / Miranda is warping the meta after all since it looks like Palp Aces with QD at PS 11 are intended to dodge bombs and rebel regen Poe can eat a few bombs and shake them off later - Mike Jones had Poe and a regen ARC-170, which has a similar flavor just not fat turret.

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1 hour ago, Jeff Wilder said:

How does this keep happening?

Competitive players are, by definition, constantly trying to make the best lists. The most effective are going to rise to the top of the meta. It's impossible (or nearly enough impossible for humans) to keep this from happening. Any nerfs or FAQs or hard counters are simply going to cause a new meta favorite.

I think we're in a reasonably good position. Triple jumps dominated the meta for a while, but we have a few dominators at this point, instead of just one. I reviewed Joel Killingsworth's games at the San Antonio Open, and he crushed Nymranda.

28 minutes ago, Knave Squawk said:

Are you sure the initial statement is true? A lot of the streams showed Nym + Miranda but a quick glance at regional winners for the last few months looks like Imperial Aces are dominant, especially Quickdraw and Vader. There was a lot of PS11 QD flying around, who can move out of the way of drop on reveal and Genius / Trajectory bombs.

PIttsburgh Regional - Palp Aces (Duncan)

Cesena, Emilia-Romagna (Italy) - Dash / Nym

Dutch Nationals - Palp Aces

Fresno Regional - Palp Aces (Palpoons)

Austin Regional - QD + Gunboats

Cardiff - Nym/Miranda

Grosseto / Toscana / Italy Regional - Vader / Gunboat / QD

Salt Lake City - Dash / Poe

Tricity Regionals - Fenn Rau / Kulda / Thweek

Calgary - Nym/Miranda

Linkoping - Vader / QD / Pure Sabacc

Don't let evidence get in the way of a good shitpost.