Hey i was wondering what everyone might build and either do different or include for this build and also to fill out the rest of a 100 point list for the following:
Talonbane :Vaksia title, vectored thrusters, engine upgrade, auto thrusters, expertise.
Thanks for all help and input.
Edited by Flyingbrick
My main observation is that you're not using your illicit slot. Cloaking Device is a pretty nice upgrade for the same price as Vectored Thrusters (1 point!) and combined with Vectored Thrusters (and engine upgrade) allows Talonbane some serious credibility as an arc-dodger - cloak before you hit range 3 and you have a faintly ridiculous 6 dice with autothrusters against primary weapons fire, and the ability to pull a speed 2 decloak plus your move plus a boost or barrel roll - the equivalent of a 'speed 9 straight', and a dangerous option for someone with Talonbane's range 1 punch.
Thank you for this sir.
Manaroo (27)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Intelligence Agent (1)
Rigged Cargo Chute (1)
Ion Projector (2)
Talonbane Cobra (28)
Expertise (4)
XX-23 S-Thread Tracers (1)
Inertial Dampeners (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Autothrusters (2)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Vaksai (0)
Fenn Rau (28)
Attanni Mindlink (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Concord Dawn Protector (1)
Total: 100
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I like manaroo to block all these ps9/10/11 jerks. And also block these harpooning jerks. If ion goes off, Fenn and Talon at range 1 is goodnight.
I'd say Engine upgrade and Autothrusters are pretty much stapled on him with Vaksai . Good value at total 4p and synerginzes well with both his two extra greens at r3 and helps get into r1.
Beyond that I haven't seen much use for the barrel roll of Vectored thrusters. I've been playing with either Cloaking device (Talonbane Cloakbra) and Stygium particle accelerator, or Glitterstim and Pulsed ray shield. The latter also adds the straight 1 missing from the Kihraxz dial. I don't like the push the limit for him because he has so few greens, and generally has to turn around after being at r1. So intensity, predator, mindlink or crack shot are the options I'm looking at.
My favourite build is the straight up damage focused, with added survivability from AT, glitter and the shield.
Talonbane Cobra , Vaksai , Predator, Glitterstim, Engine Upgrade, Autothrusters, Pulsed ray shield 36p.
A list to not discount is the All 5 reds. Talonbane + Fenn + Zuckus. Zuckus with VI for PS9 so he can Tractor targets into R1 for Fenn or Talonbane. Plus, Zuckus gets 5 reds too at r1 if you want to go for damage..
Predator is definitely a good call relative to expertise. If you're using cloak-capable Talonbane, it synergises with the Khiraxz' long speed 5 K-turn - decloak forwards and then reveal a K-turn and you've got an effective 'speed 8 K-turn' - very good indeed for ending your move behind someone attempting to joust you, and predator will work when stressed whilst expertise won't.
18 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:Predator is definitely a good call relative to expertise. If you're using cloak-capable Talonbane, it synergises with the Khiraxz' long speed 5 K-turn - decloak forwards and then reveal a K-turn and you've got an effective 'speed 8 K-turn' - very good indeed for ending your move behind someone attempting to joust you, and predator will work when stressed whilst expertise won't.
That's my main reasoning behind predator- it always works. I tend to boost a lot with TBC so either rerolls or a focus from Glitter/Intensity is really useful. With Intensity I struggle to see when I am going to have a redundant focus token to flip it back though.
Never thought about that long K after decloak. I usually decloak from afar to get into R1 to unleash fury. But getting behind your target could be really advantageous.
What squadron mates do you like to combine him with?
I haven't used him much myself, but I've had him used on me. Usually in a Scum All-Stars squad with Fenn Rau and (recently) Thweek.
I agree with the suggestion to switch to Predator for EPT - with his dial, you very well might need to pull reds often ish. However, I also like keeping him cheap, if possible. Predator, VT, AT, are easy includes. Everything else could be optional.
I confess, I like the idea of PTL Talon with VT/EU/AT, but that's pricey, and he's outdone in that role by Fenn. However, if you want 2 Fenns, then there ya go.
However, I think he needs some beefy wingmates. Asajj, a gunrunner, etc etc
So something along these lines?
Talonbane Cobra (28)
Predator (3)
Cloaking Device (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Pulsed Ray Shield (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Vaksai (0)
Asajj Ventress (37)
Push the Limit (3)
Latts Razzi (2)
Glitterstim (2)
Glitterstim (2)
Countermeasures (3)
Binayre Pirate (12)
Proton Rockets (3)
Guidance Chips (0)
Total: 100
12 hours ago, Greebwahn said:I agree with the suggestion to switch to Predator for EPT - with his dial, you very well might need to pull reds often ish. However, I also like keeping him cheap, if possible. Predator, VT, AT, are easy includes. Everything else could be optional.
I confess, I like the idea of PTL Talon with VT/EU/AT, but that's pricey, and he's outdone in that role by Fenn. However, if you want 2 Fenns, then there ya go.
You can't equip Autothrusters unless you also have Engine upgrade, so cheap TBC cannot include AT. I haven't had much luck with him without EU, but when I've tried it, cloaking device decloak has been my go to, as a sort of pseudo boost. So if you want to keep him cheap, I'd go with this, which still gives you PS9 repositioning and pretty good survivability.
TBC 28, Vaksai 0, Crack shot/Attani mindlink 0, Cloaking device 1, Vectored Thrusters 1, Pulsed ray shield 1. Total 31p.
Edited by westiebestie
41 minutes ago, westiebestie said:You can't equip Autothrusters unless you also have Engine upgrade, so cheap TBC cannot include AT. I haven't had much luck with him without EU, but when I've tried it, cloaking device decloak has been my go to, as a sort of pseudo boost. So if you want to keep him cheap, I'd go with this, which still gives you PS9 repositioning and pretty good survivability.
TBC 28, Vaksai 0, Crack shot/Attani mindlink 0, Cloaking device 1, Vectored Thrusters 1, Pulsed ray shield 1. Total 31p.
Don't forget that if you take Cloaking Device, you can also equip Stygium Particle Accelerator for a point - it's risky (because it becomes useless once the cloak breaks down) but starting with an evade and never taking the damage can be better than regenerating it afterwards.
Edited by Magnus Grendel1 hour ago, Magnus Grendel said:Don't forget that if you take Cloaking Device, you can also equip Stygium Particle Accelerator for a point - it's risky (because it becomes useless once the cloak breaks down) but starting with an evade and never taking the damage can be better than regenerating it afterwards.
Sure, I did that combo but on Viktor Hel. And since it's risky as you say I'd rather spread the risk with PRS for a cheap build. Since TBC like's slugging up close, that 1 straight is also nice to have.