So this came up during a recent game, Kylo had 3 health left and was face to face with Dengar, iniside Dengar's arc. Dengar player had the initiaive and so shot first, and killed Kylo, because Kylo was hit by dengar he asigned him the ISYTDS condition with the blinded pilot, because they are both PS9 Kylo shot and landed a crit on Dengar, activating blinded pilot. Does Dengar's ability allow him to shoot at Kylo before he is removed from play to turn blinded pilot?

Dengar’s ability is an opportunity to attack. Given the scenario above, you should flip Blinded Pilot face down. If Dengar is still alive, he will be free to attack the following round.

Edit: Just to be clear, the answer above applies to the TFA Blinded Pilot. With Original Core Blinded Pilot, Dengar would attack, roll 0 attack dice, then flip Blinded Pilot face down.

Agreed.

Per the timing chart, Kylo Ren attacks and deals damage (including the ISYTDS critical). Following the chart, Dengar's optional revenge shot comes at step nine , allowing him to clear Blinded Pilot... after which point, Kylo Ren is removed in step ten .

Timing-wise, Dengar can attack Kylo with his pilot ability.

I'm curious about whether or not any ship can attack a ship which has already been destroyed. I'm looking it up (FAQ and rules reference) now to see if I find out anything. I didn't ( edit: its there and I missed it; all good ). There's nothing which I can find which prohibits attacking a destroyed ship per se.

I did find something else in the FAQ which complicates things slightly, though.

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Q: When the Simultaneous Attack Rule keeps a ship in play until it performs its attack, are all effects pertaining to that ship still in play?

A: Yes. Effects from the ship’s pilot ability, Upgrade cards, Damage cards, etc. are still active and may affect the game until it performs an attack, at which point it is immediately removed.

[page 24 of 4.4.0, in the actual FAQ section of the FAQ]

Maybe we can chalk this up to "immediately" being meaningless, but it kind of looks like it contradicts the flow chart. Going from the p.24 answer, I'd view Kylo being removed before anyone is able to trigger abilities based on his attack. However, I think it's probably safer to follow the timing laid out in the flowchart on p.8.

Does anyone else think this looks like a contradiction to them? I mean, it really looks like it to me. If so, it seems like something which should be fixed or addressed in the next version of the FAQ. It wouldn't take much of a wording change. "...are still active and may affect the game until it performs an attack, at which point it is removed in step 10, as indicated in the flowchart on page 8 . "

Simultaneous attack rule is fine as is. Sometimes a ship benefits more than others, but that can be said of many rules and card abilities.

During the reign of Emperor Biggs, this attacking dead ships thing commonly happened at PS5:

Biggs dies, simultaneous attack rule keeps him in play, and other PS5’s have to attack Biggs even though he is already destroyed.

I know of players who ran Adaptability on Biggs to increase the odds of producing that circumstance. Imagine running a Black Crack Swarm (PS4’s) and getting stuck wasting 4-6 shots on a zombie Biggs because he lowered his PS. There goes your jousting efficiency.

I used that a couple of time to regen a shield with Miranda on a useless second TLT attack. The first attack I don't use the ability because the ship have one health, on the second attack I use the ability to regen because the ship is dead anyway so I don't care if I hit or not.

9 hours ago, jmswood said:

Simultaneous attack rule is fine as is. Sometimes a ship benefits more than others, but that can be said of many rules and card abilities.

During the reign of Emperor Biggs, this attacking dead ships thing commonly happened at PS5:

Biggs dies, simultaneous attack rule keeps him in play, and other PS5’s have to attack Biggs even though he is already destroyed.

I know of players who ran Adaptability on Biggs to increase the odds of producing that circumstance. Imagine running a Black Crack Swarm (PS4’s) and getting stuck wasting 4-6 shots on a zombie Biggs because he lowered his PS. There goes your jousting efficiency.

I'm not saying the rule isn't fine. I'm saying that the FAQ could be better worded to make it clear exactly what the rule does. To me, the flow chart on P.8 and the FAQ-section on P.24 say different things.

On 15/01/2018 at 3:56 AM, theBitterFig said:

Timing-wise, Dengar can attack Kylo with his pilot ability.

I'm curious about whether or not any ship can attack a ship which has already been destroyed.

It does specify in the FAQ that you can shoot someone who's dead. Can't remember where, but think it's on a page in the late teens.

7 minutes ago, Khornight said:

It does specify in the FAQ that you can shoot someone who's dead. Can't remember where, but think it's on a page in the late teens.

Just checked again. Page 24, in the Combat section. I missed it when I was looking before.