So I just got the Home One today, and feel a little disappointed, Is it just me or is the Home One a bit FLAT and WIDE compared to its normal appearance in the movie or video games?

...and too small. Totally not imposing. It needs to be about 15% bigger.

1 hour ago, axe238 said:

...and too small. Totally not imposing. It needs to be about 15% bigger.

That's what she said!

It was inevitable!

Boooo!

They should have made the model the same length as an ISD. I believe they calculated the actual size from the movie to be over 3km, but then someone decided it was only 1.2km long for some reason so now we have that as the official size. Just looks off seeing it dwarfed by an ISD in Armada while in the movies you didn't get that sense at all.

5 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

So I just got the Home One today, and feel a little disappointed, Is it just me or is the Home One a bit FLAT and WIDE compared to its normal appearance in the movie or video games?

I'm going to politely disagree and say that the FFG model very much matches those lines shown in this image. Now, whether or not they skewed a little far when they downsized compared to the ISD, that's up for debate. (I would agree it should have been at least 5-10% bigger, but that is also a more expensive model.)

Still, it's nice when an Imperial throws a full barrage at the "lil pickle", barely scratches it, then says "how is a ship that small still alive?!"

Personally It looks way to flat, mainly just from that middle section in the rear between all the 4 engines, on the model its extremely wide and flat, on the pick it actually looks so much taller and rounded.

1 minute ago, idiewell said:

Still, it's nice when an Imperial throws a full barrage at the "lil pickle", barely scratches it, then says "how is a ship that small still alive?!"

Sorry for Double Post.... but. **** you now you have gone off and done it.

4 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

Sorry for Double Post.... but. **** you now you have gone off and done it.

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Actually it is much flatter and wider than it looks in that image:

I dont like the size, the paintjob or the size of the outside pods. But the overall proportions of the body are very accurate.

I'm not sure about that 3 km thing as there are not much clearer scenes in Ep VI in which Home One is closer to another ship to compare. The only one I could found is before they make the jump to lightspeed in which you can see a GR-75 transport (which's supposedly 90 meters long) flying really close beside it and it didn't get the impression at all that you could fit more than 30 of those transports in the length of Home One, I think the 1,2 or 1,3 km is more realistic, at least for that scene.

That 3 km length was always bull. 1200 meters is pretty realistic

Whether or not Home One is 1.2 or 3 km, I agree that the MC80 miniature feels a bit small on the table, especially in the presence of ISDs. Heck, even AFKIIs make it look small.

I think it was based on the size of the hangar internal space with the fighters in it, correlated with the size of the hangar opening in relation to the rest of the ship. Typical case of analyzing movie scenes in a way the creators never intended, but there you have it.

The small size also makes the ISD look even more pathetic. Somehow a modified civilian mon calamari skyscraper is almost equal in combat potential to a dedicated warship with a more sensible triangular design and at least double the mass...

46 minutes ago, Lord Tareq said:

I think it was based on the size of the hangar internal space with the fighters in it, correlated with the size of the hangar opening in relation to the rest of the ship. Typical case of analyzing movie scenes in a way the creators never intended, but there you have it .

Yup. They used this for comparison:

With that it was calculated that Home One would be around 3.8 km in length, with fits with another comparison made by the Falcon-fly-by before the jump to Endor.

The Rebels TV series went with a slightly more conservative 1.8 km or so (Mel's smaller Home One roughly matches up to this)

On 11/01/2018 at 8:35 AM, melminiatures said:

even in rebels the size is larger than a ISD:

You can see the size on the bottom corner.

6 minutes ago, Ironlord said:

The Rebels TV series went with a slightly more conservative 1.8 km or so (Mel's smaller Home One roughly matches up to this)

Maybe the intention of Lucas and company was that it was around 1,2 km long as specified some time ago in encyclopedias, but now Disney in their effort to make all bigger than before, made even the Home One bigger than it was

23 hours ago, axe238 said:

Boooo!

I respect that! I usually hate this troll. I just couldn't help myself this time! The title called for it.

8 hours ago, Lord Tareq said:

The small size also makes the ISD look even more pathetic. Somehow a modified civilian mon calamari skyscraper is almost equal in combat potential to a dedicated warship with a more sensible triangular design and at least double the mass...

Canon Star Wars mostly ditched that original for the Mon Cal ships. Rather, they were built underwater on the Mon Cal homeworld ostensibly as 'cities', but secretly always planned as warships - being able to survive water pressure at depth a good thing for warship hulls, after all. So once the Mon Cal decided they needed to leave, the moved onto the newly-built underwater cities and put engines on them, and flew them off.

Also, keep in mind that either way, the Mon Cal ship is a dedicate combat vessel, with only even a small fighter contingent.

A Star Destroyer is not designed only for ship-to-ship combat, but also it carries a much larger fighter wing for patrols. An entire division of Storm Troopers. A prefab Imperial Garrison structure. Multiple AT-AT and AT-ST walkers. etc. Heck, current canonical sources even reference the 2 years of consumables it totes along! It suffers a bit in any one role because it has to be able to do everything .

18 hours ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

Maybe the intention of Lucas and company was that it was around 1,2 km long as specified some time ago in encyclopedias, but now Disney in their effort to make all bigger than before, made even the Home One bigger than it was

Thing is, West End Games, while licenced by Lucas & Company, had a great deal of freedom of action. Hence a lot of the sizes they came up with, not quite matching many of the shots in the movie.

14 hours ago, xanderf said:

A Star Destroyer is not designed only for ship-to-ship combat, but also it carries a much larger fighter wing for patrols.

I know everyone loves to tote the nice round-numbered "76 TIEs" per star destroyer, but I still hold there is no way that this is accurate. Maybe at max fighter capacity, an ISD could squeeze in 76 TIE fighters. But when you assume internal hangar space is probably also used for shuttles, ground assault vehicles, landing craft, repair areas, parts storage, etc., the number must come down. Then factor in that many ISDs probably didn't have anywhere near fighter capacity stationed aboard (especially pending their assignments), and it's probably the case that no active ISDs had such high numbers.

Otherwise, it just doesn't make any sense why every ISD is sporting 76 fighters yet we never ever see comparable numbers of ships inside the hangars nor comparable numbers of ships scrambled during engagements. In fact, I suspect the vast majority of active Star Destroyers typically had very few active fighters stationed aboard.

(0) Rogue One - The two ISDs don't appear to scramble any fighters, and the entirety of the Imperial Fighter wing seems to come exclusively from the shield gate station, which launches around 60 TIEs.
(0.5) Rebels - again, we rarely see more than a few TIEs, and most of the time they're coming from Gozantis. In the scene where the Rebel Fighters under Hera have to break through Thrawn's blockade and bomb the facility, there are nearly a half-dozen Star Destroyers present yet only about 20 TIEs in space and maybe another 10-20 defending the ground targets on the surface.
(1) ANH - the Death Star only scrambles 4 TIEs to chase the Falcon and estimates of only 7-12 TIEs in Black Squadron to defend against the Rebel snub fighters.
(2) ESB - The Star Destroyers at Hoth don't scramble any fighters as part of the blockade. During the chase of the Falcon , three ISDs are in pursuit with only 4 TIE fighters in pursuit.
(3) TFA - When Finn and Poe are aboard Ren's ship in its hangar, there are maybe a dozen TIE/fo and TIE/sf stored in the hangar, which is mostly dead open space without the racks and docking clamps for imperial fighters. Reminder: a resurrgence-class is twice as big as an ISD. In the assault of Finn and Rey, only TIEs are scrambled to strafe the Jakku trading post (and none to pursue the Falcon after that). In the battle at Maz's castle, we see about twelve T70 X-Wings defeat and drive off what appears to be maybe 20 first order TIEs from the Resurgent .
(4) TLJ - When the biggest warship we've ever seen + about six resurgent-class star destroyers are attacking the resistance fleet, only three fighters are launched (Ren and two wingmen)... and they're super effective. Just imagine if the First Order would have launched 76+ fighters with each of its warships!


RotJ and the "bomber scene" of Rogue One don't really give us any clear idea or scale on the number of Imperial fighters present relative to the size of the imperial fleet present.


Besides, why would the Empire bother with ships like Gozantis or Qasars if every ISD carried 76 fighters? I mean, based on images, the Qasar carries what, like maybe 12 TIE Bombers? What kind of carrier is that when one ISD can come in sporting six times as many fighters...?



I think the only logical conclusion is to assume that Star Destroyers have a maximum fighter capacity well under the once-assumed 76 Fighters, and whatever that lesser max capacity actually is, it is pretty rare for any individual destroyer to be anywhere near that number?

It is quoted in “A New Dawn” that ISDs carry 70 odd TIE fighters.

Thats New Canon.

I think the best answer to this could be : there is 76 available space (or docking) for small squadrons. Are they always full, maybe not. Are they all in good maintenance, maybe not either.

It's like in a aircraft carrier, they are not always at the maximum capacity.

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

It is quoted in “A New Dawn” that ISDs carry 70 odd TIE fighters.

Thats New Canon.

Yeah, was going to say. I mean, @AllWingsStandyingBy , you're not wrong - that number is absolutely ridiculous, especially when you look at any attempt at mocking up deck plans of the thing and accounting for a division of storm troopers, landing ships, etc. Nevermind the necessary support that kind of fighter wing would need. The USN 'Wasp'-class LHDs are an informative reference point , given (roughly) similar missions. Basic capacity on them is:

• 6 F-35s (or Harriers) - IE., superiority fighter
• 4 attack helos - ehhh...ground-support mission, not really a good comparison in Star Wars
• 12 MV-22 Ospreys - combat shuttles
• 4 Sea Stallion heavy lift helos

...basically 20-26 aircraft, some mix of helos, Ospreys, and fighters (IE., roughly 1/4 a Star Destroyer's complement of total 'aircraft'), along with:

• About 1900 marines (about 1/7 a Star Destroyer's complement)
• 3 air cushion landing craft (about 1/5 a Star Destroyer's complement of landing ships)
• Something like 5 heavy tanks and assorted other vehicles (about 1/6 or so of a Star Destroyer's complement)

...and this on a ship 250m long that doesn't need to bring its own atmosphere along, or hyperdrive, or have shielding, and has no ship-to-ship combat. A Star Destroyer is only about 6 times larger.

It's really too many.