8 minutes ago, xanderf said:A Star Destroyer is only about 6 times larger.
An Imperial-Class Star Destroyer is 6 times longer. If it is 6 times larger in each dimension, then it occupies 216 times as much volume.
Home One Model
33 minutes ago, xanderf said:Yeah, was going to say. I mean, @AllWingsStandyingBy , you're not wrong - that number is absolutely ridiculous, especially when you look at any attempt at mocking up deck plans of the thing and accounting for a division of storm troopers, landing ships, etc. Nevermind the necessary support that kind of fighter wing would need. The USN 'Wasp'-class LHDs are an informative reference point , given (roughly) similar missions. Basic capacity on them is:
- 6 F-35s (or Harriers) - IE., superiority fighter
- 4 attack helos - ehhh...ground-support mission, not really a good comparison in Star Wars
- 12 MV-22 Ospreys - combat shuttles
- 4 Sea Stallion heavy lift helos
...basically 20-26 aircraft, some mix of helos, Ospreys, and fighters (IE., roughly 1/4 a Star Destroyer's complement of total 'aircraft'), along with:
- About 1900 marines (about 1/7 a Star Destroyer's complement)
- 3 air cushion landing craft (about 1/5 a Star Destroyer's complement of landing ships)
- Something like 5 heavy tanks and assorted other vehicles (about 1/6 or so of a Star Destroyer's complement)
...and this on a ship 250m long that doesn't need to bring its own atmosphere along, or hyperdrive, or have shielding, and has no ship-to-ship combat. A Star Destroyer is only about 6 times larger.
It's really too many.
That ship is 257m long, 31.8 wide, and 8.1 tall (yes, I threw terminology out the window. . .). An ISD is 1600m long. I have no idea how wide the ISD is, but it seems to be between .45 and .3 times the length, so I am going to say .35 for the sake of an argument, and that makes it 560m wide. It seems to be .4 times as tall as it is wide, for 224m tall.
The ISD is therefore 6.22x as long, 144.52x as wide, and 27.65x as tall as the ship. If we make the volume a rectangle for each, the volumes compare 66198.06v24,778,271.605m^3 for almost 374.305 times the volume of the ship. Obviously, my math is utterly terrible and any true mathematician would wince in pain at the sight of it, but the point is that the ISD ought to be easily able to carry approximately 6 times the amount of fighters/personnel as the Wasp. I mean, it's 6 times longer. Which means it has the carrying capacity of 6 Wasps in a straight line (and more, 'cause you only need 1 bridge/engine). Then it's 144 times wider. Which is where the guns can go. Then it's 27 times taller, which is where the hyerdrive/reactor can go. It's not impossible to imagine that if the Wasp can fit that many stuff, the ISD can easily do so. It's not like we have a deck plan of all that space to accurately imagine the amount of cubic meters available for storage. . . right? Besides, weren't TIEs held on racks, meaning that floor space was still available for other vessels and infantry?
This argument has come up many times before, where I feel the size of the Home One model is too small, the best argument I've seen for it was shortly after it released. Someone, I don't remember who and I'll not even attempt to do the math, but someone used the measurements of the shuttle and came to the conclusion that in order for it to actually fit in the landing bay that it was shown in there is no way for it to fit in the model at the scale it claims to be. In other words if you use the measurements that are "cannon" the shuttle will not fit in the bay opening. Of course this is all science fiction and who in their right mind goes to George Lucas and says hey boss...you know that shuttle will never fit into the bay. Once people start putting numbers together they will see we are just making this up as we go along. Maybe we should just play the game and quit trying to make all these things work on the "real world".
Yes, but the 3 km length, the one proven by the shuttle to hanger bay measurements, was Canon for over a decade. They shrunk its Canon size around the same time they bumped the SSD up to 19 km from 13 km, after it started at 9.5 km. Lucasfilm was never very good at setting size for big ships that match on-screen depiction.
12 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:Yes, but the 3 km length, the one proven by the shuttle to hanger bay measurements, was Canon for over a decade.
Actually, there were no official sources that gave the length, between ROTJ and WEG. The 1.2 km figure originated with WEG - other sources gave slightly larger figures - but no official source gave 3km as a figure: