51 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:The fact that vader can strip totles.... what the ****? Does he walk around outside the spacecraft, find where its name is and use his lightsaber to make it unreadable? How can home one for example stop being home one unless its destroyed?
It doesnt make sense.....
Killing crew makes sense, destroying key systems makes sense.
/sigh
Oh well
Why is home one home one? Perhaps it’s an extra unique CIC that helps with targeting coordination .... That Vader Destroys.
55 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:The fact that vader can strip totles.... what the ****? Does he walk around outside the spacecraft, find where its name is and use his lightsaber to make it unreadable? How can home one for example stop being home one unless its destroyed?
It doesnt make sense.....
Killing crew makes sense, destroying key systems makes sense.
/sigh
Oh well
Just imagine hes killing the specifically talented people/destroying the special modification on the ship that makes the title work
19 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:Why is home one home one? Perhaps it’s an extra unique CIC that helps with targeting coordination .... That Vader Destroys.
16 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Just imagine hes killing the specifically talented people/destroying the special modification on the ship that makes the title work
For me home one is a title that is bestowed upon a ship.... its the ships name, its personality. To kill "home one" is to kill the ship entirely.
Using @Madaghmire s explaination its still hard for me to accept vader as removong a title, cause i dont link a title with an effect, i link titles with the ship/person they belong to.
I think of you dras as the forums rules guru and extraordinarily talented painter. If you was to lose an arm your still gonna be dras: rules guru and talented painter. Home one is the flagship of the rebel fleet: even if it lost its entire crew its still gonna be home one.
This is just a personal opinion of mine though and im gonna be happy to play the game.... especially since boarding trooper type upgrades are never really used here in my meta area anyway 
13 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:
For me home one is a title that is bestowed upon a ship.... its the ships name, its personality. To kill "home one" is to kill the ship entirely.
Using @Madaghmire s explaination its still hard for me to accept vader as removong a title, cause i dont link a title with an effect, i link titles with the ship/person they belong to.
I think of you dras as the forums rules guru and extraordinarily talented painter. If you was to lose an arm your still gonna be dras: rules guru and talented painter. Home one is the flagship of the rebel fleet: even if it lost its entire crew its still gonna be home one.
This is just a personal opinion of mine though and im gonna be happy to play the game.... especially since boarding trooper type upgrades are never really used here in my meta area anyway
So Home one isn't the Crew, its the Ship.
But is it the whole ship, or is it the parts of the MC80 that makes it different from other MC80s... (I'm also aware that there is the statement that all MC80s are unique to each other... But anyway...)
In your case... Sure, you could kill a bunch of the crew - but if it was the part of the crew that worked on the bit that made Home One different to other MC80s, then you'd obviously lose capability... Its just a nebulous capability that isn't tied into a specific ship sub-system.
Why can Demolisher shoot after moving? Was it because it was equipped with a unique set of equipment, circumstance and crew training and just happened to be named Demolisher ? So removing its "title" removes a part of its uniqueness. Part of what makes it it, so the whole doesn't work the way it used to... It loses its uniqueness. Perhaps thats a finicky fire-control computer that normally does what else.
I mean, sure. The Milennium Falcon is the Millenium Falcon. Even when its Hyperdrive isn't working, its still the Millenium Falcon.... but its not going to make that Kessel run in under 14 (12!) parsecs...
You might as well not call it the Millenium Falcon... Fastest Hunk of Junk in the Galaxy... When its not...
I equate "Titles" with "Unique Modifications, Crew Training or Other sundry" for lack of a better term... While being aware that such a thing as "Modification" exists... Those things can be targeted, and even if just damaged... Or perhaps lynchpin crew are killed and thus, you lose the bonus right now until such time as someone can be trained to replace it...
That's always been my thoughts on it - because its cinematic. It makes sense because its patently dramatic, rather than, y'know... Just... Tagging a "Rebelz Suxxors" over a Nameplate.
20 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:So Home one isn't the Crew, its the Ship.
But is it the whole ship, or is it the parts of the MC80 that makes it different from other MC80s... (I'm also aware that there is the statement that all MC80s are unique to each other... But anyway...)
In your case... Sure, you could kill a bunch of the crew - but if it was the part of the crew that worked on the bit that made Home One different to other MC80s, then you'd obviously lose capability... Its just a nebulous capability that isn't tied into a specific ship sub-system.
Why can Demolisher shoot after moving? Was it because it was equipped with a unique set of equipment, circumstance and crew training and just happened to be named Demolisher ? So removing its "title" removes a part of its uniqueness. Part of what makes it it, so the whole doesn't work the way it used to... It loses its uniqueness. Perhaps thats a finicky fire-control computer that normally does what else.
I mean, sure. The Milennium Falcon is the Millenium Falcon. Even when its Hyperdrive isn't working, its still the Millenium Falcon.... but its not going to make that Kessel run in under 14 (12!) parsecs...
You might as well not call it the Millenium Falcon... Fastest Hunk of Junk in the Galaxy... When its not...
I equate "Titles" with "Unique Modifications, Crew Training or Other sundry" for lack of a better term... While being aware that such a thing as "Modification" exists... Those things can be targeted, and even if just damaged... Or perhaps lynchpin crew are killed and thus, you lose the bonus right now until such time as someone can be trained to replace it...
That's always been my thoughts on it - because its cinematic. It makes sense because its patently dramatic, rather than, y'know... Just... Tagging a "Rebelz Suxxors" over a Nameplate.
I can definitely see where your coming from and i respect that.
But for me, the title is for the ship, not the crew. Maybe the crew choose what effect the title has.... BUT THE SHIP IS STILL HOME ONE!! Ma6be this current crew is what gives the home one title effect of goving a free acc, maybe an earlier home one crew gave a different effect.
Vader doesnt just negate the titles effect - he makes you discard it. It changes from being home , survivor of numerous battles and rebel fleet HQ, to a mc80 home one class, so new it doesnt have a name or title. And i just dont like that.
(Though due to the way the game works vaders phrased in one of the best ways possible.)
To me, IMHO taking away the title or name of a ship is as bad as removing its soul, and that pushes me the wrong way.
4 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:I can definitely see where your coming from and i respect that.
But for me, the title is for the ship, not the crew. Maybe the crew choose what effect the title has.... BUT THE SHIP IS STILL HOME ONE!! Ma6be this current crew is what gives the home one title effect of goving a free acc, maybe an earlier home one crew gave a different effect.
Vader doesnt just negate the titles effect - he makes you discard it. It changes from being home , survivor of numerous battles and rebel fleet HQ, to a mc80 home one class, so new it doesnt have a name or title. And i just dont like that.
(Though due to the way the game works vaders phrased in one of the best ways possible.)
To me, IMHO taking away the title or name of a ship is as bad as removing its soul, and that pushes me the wrong way.
You have to discard Vader to do it.
In your parlance, that seems to mean he was ejected from an Airlick and Given up dead...
...
Sure, if I lost an Arm, I’d still be Dras.
... But for a long time, I wouldn’t paint worth a ****.
1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:You have to discard Vader to do it.
In your parlance, that seems to mean he was ejected from an Airlick and Given up dead...
...
Sure, if I lost an Arm, I’d still be Dras.
... But for a long time, I wouldn’t paint worth a ****.
But you'd still be dras, you might not be able to paint for a long time, but your achievements, your past jobs speak for themselves.
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I dont know how to do spoiler tags
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Also dont you know, vaders suit is spaceworthy as seen in Rogue 1, and as seen in TLJ, force users can pull themselves through space 
vader just abandoned ship and headed for the nearest ship for pickup, looking badass as he goes hahaha
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25 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:You have to discard Vader to do it.
In your parlance, that seems to mean he was ejected from an Airlick and Given up dead...
...
Sure, if I lost an Arm, I’d still be Dras.
... But for a long time, I wouldn’t paint worth a ****.
Probably depends on which arm.
I suddenly want to allow anyone who takes Vader as their Admiral in CC to be able to use any of the three Vader incarnations in any given battle. Still costs the Admiral price, if he launches in his TIE Advanced, or Boards an enemy ship, (one or the other, no boarding after he is in the TIE Advance), you then loose his Admiral Ability until the end of the battle.
So much Thematic fun!
I would let Leia do it too, but who would want to?
1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:Probably depends on which arm.
My style of painting involves sitting with the miniature in front of my face, elbows lightly spread and wrists touching.
its how I stabilize my shaking hands due to blood pressure issues and all.
Losing either would prompt s radical rethink.
2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:My style of painting involves sitting with the miniature in front of my face, elbows lightly spread and wrists touching.
its how I stabilize my shaking hands due to blood pressure issues and all.
Losing either would prompt s radical rethink.
I know the feeling. I need paint with my right wrist resting on my desktop, or pressed up against the edge of the desktop. I need to steady against a solid surface.
2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:My style of painting involves sitting with the miniature in front of my face, elbows lightly spread and wrists touching.
its how I stabilize my shaking hands due to blood pressure issues and all.
Losing either would prompt s radical rethink.
Now that will make my life a whole lot easier... need to start doing it...
7 hours ago, Visovics said:Now that will make my life a whole lot easier... need to start doing it...
Credit to all the time I worked for Games Workshop. You can say many poor things about the company’s practices and people - but when you found a store that actually cared and followed the directions the way they should, like Darren does as the manager here in Calgary- then you get profoundly positive experiences...
The Painting Posture Triangle has kept me working in the industry far longer than my ailing body should have. And when I get actual time to paint, I still pull off some decent work because of it.
I wound up doing something similar naturally, ill try it with my wrists touching
15 hours ago, DrakonLord said:
For me home one is a title that is bestowed upon a ship.... its the ships name, its personality. To kill "home one" is to kill the ship entirely.
Using @Madaghmire s explaination its still hard for me to accept vader as removong a title, cause i dont link a title with an effect, i link titles with the ship/person they belong to.
I think of you dras as the forums rules guru and extraordinarily talented painter. If you was to lose an arm your still gonna be dras: rules guru and talented painter. Home one is the flagship of the rebel fleet: even if it lost its entire crew its still gonna be home one.
This is just a personal opinion of mine though and im gonna be happy to play the game.... especially since boarding trooper type upgrades are never really used here in my meta area anyway
And isn't hard the opposite? Naming a ship some way you give it super powers.?
18 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:And isn't hard the opposite? Naming a ship some way you give it super powers.?
“I was only going to shoot my torpedoes once, but lookig up at the paint on that Nebulon...the way the Y glistens in the starlight, the elegance of the A, the inviting openeness of the V, the equally elegant second A, the rugged R, the way the I stands so tall and straight, and the voloptuous curves of the S...Force be with me, I’m just going to have to fire twice! Don’t try to stop me Artoo! I’m dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight, and Yavaris is her name! My ship! My MUSE!”
- Luke Skywalker, Star Wars Episode 6 1/2, A New Fuckery Awakens Rolls Over and Smokes a Dreadnought
15 hours ago, DrakonLord said:I can definitely see where your coming from and i respect that.
But for me, the title is for the ship, not the crew. Maybe the crew choose what effect the title has.... BUT THE SHIP IS STILL HOME ONE!! Ma6be this current crew is what gives the home one title effect of goving a free acc, maybe an earlier home one crew gave a different effect.
Vader doesnt just negate the titles effect - he makes you discard it. It changes from being home , survivor of numerous battles and rebel fleet HQ, to a mc80 home one class, so new it doesnt have a name or title. And i just dont like that.
(Though due to the way the game works vaders phrased in one of the best ways possible.)
To me, IMHO taking away the title or name of a ship is as bad as removing its soul, and that pushes me the wrong way.
It isn't any different from discarding an Officer upgrade normally, though, is it? I mean, my skilled first officer doesn't keel over and die after his one flash of brilliance like a bee that stung someone*. He's still there, but he's had his flash of brilliance for the "episode."
*Although I suppose in a fleet with Vader, Skilled First Officer being discarded could mean that guy got a promotion since the Captain displeased Vader. Also, fun fact: Honey bees can actually sting many animals without dying. It's only thick skinned animals like mammals that the barbed stinger gets stuck in (And pulls a bunch of other stuff out with it).
1 hour ago, Squark said:It isn't any different from discarding an Officer upgrade normally, though, is it? I mean, my skilled first officer doesn't keel over and die after his one flash of brilliance like a bee that stung someone*. He's still there, but he's had his flash of brilliance for the "episode."
*Although I suppose in a fleet with Vader, Skilled First Officer being discarded could mean that guy got a promotion since the Captain displeased Vader. Also, fun fact: Honey bees can actually sting many animals without dying. It's only thick skinned animals like mammals that the barbed stinger gets stuck in (And pulls a bunch of other stuff out with it).
I honestly dont care about the officer discards. There are just so many things that to could happen to a guy in space and even if he did guy,he still has his name "wow admiral ackbar took down a dozen odd ships with his amazing broadside ships" for example.
Removingthe name of a ship isnt anything like that. Its keeping the ship and removing its soul,its individuality, all off its winnings and lising because it isnt the ship it was 5 minutes ago. It becomes a MC80 home one class,not the rebellions mobile HQ and command centre for an entire fleet.
As for titles giving effects, why would i be annoyed with that? Its the same as certain upgrades such as officers give effects- it adds to the story. Something like vader shutting down and stopping the effects of upgrades? Sure. Absolutely 0 problem. Making it discard the title card? Not happy but it could have been worse.
I mean as it is, taking @Drasnighta as the example again, knowing hes the rules guru he is when he talks about a ruling on the game, i tend to losten. And knowing his painting skills when he shares his knowledge o definitely listen.
IF THATS NOT A SPECIAL EFFECT OF A TITLE I DONT KNOW WHAT IS ;P
Just now, DrakonLord said:I honestly dont care about the officer discards. There are just so many things that to could happen to a guy in space and even if he did guy,he still has his name "wow admiral ackbar took down a dozen odd ships with his amazing broadside ships" for example.
Removingthe name of a ship isnt anything like that. Its keeping the ship and removing its soul,its individuality, all off its winnings and lising because it isnt the ship it was 5 minutes ago. It becomes a MC80 home one class,not the rebellions mobile HQ and command centre for an entire fleet.
As for titles giving effects, why would i be annoyed with that? Its the same as certain upgrades such as officers give effects- it adds to the story. Something like vader shutting down and stopping the effects of upgrades? Sure. Absolutely 0 problem. Making it discard the title card? Not happy but it could have been worse.
Well, if it bothers you that much, instead of flipping the card over, hide the game text underneath another card. Now it's still the Profundity/Admonition/Home One, it has merely been damaged/lost the crew trained to do the thing that it was most famous for.
Just now, Squark said:Well, if it bothers you that much, instead of flipping the card over, hide the game text underneath another card. Now it's still the Profundity/Admonition/Home One, it has merely been damaged/lost the crew trained to do the thing that it was most famous for.
Then its not discarding. In a casual game thats fine to do though.
8 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:I mean as it is, taking @Drasnighta as the example again, knowing hes the rules guru he is when he talks about a ruling on the game, i tend to losten. And knowing his painting skills when he shares his knowledge o definitely listen.
IF THATS NOT A SPECIAL EFFECT OF A TITLE I DONT KNOW WHAT IS ;P
I still think you’d question me a little more if you heard I’d taken a serious Darth Vader to the head.... ?
Well, the force supposedly affects machines... Why not ships? I view it as Vader just channeling serious Dark Side vibes to kill the ship’s special “spark.” Kind of like a grim cloud falling over the ship. As in, it’s still Yavaris, but whatever made Yavaris “special” has been somehow corrupted, if that makes sense?
Holy **** Yavaris went over to the dark side! We’re all ****** now! Someone get Admonition out of here before all hope is lost!
You build a ship.
You built a MC80
You name that ship.
The ship is caled Home One.
Home One is not different than any other MC80.
But it happens it will be.
Home One has a long career against the Empire.
His name didn't give it its achievements, it didn't make it famous and recognisable.
You put a name on a ship, but the ship made that name famous.
How? Thanks to a veteran crew, clever officers, special upgrades, whatever you prefer or everything at once.
The ship built up a fighting idiosyncrasy and that made the name famous.
Then, after years of service, Home One faced Vader.
Vader was angry.
Vader boarded the ship and made his way through the crew, destroying systems, killing officers, whatever you prefer or everything at once.
Home One is still named Home One but what made Home One being famous is now dead or destroyed. The skillful crew is teared to pieces all along the ship.
The ship is still alive, the paint is still on the hull. But Home One, what made Home One to be Home One is gone.
Home One is just another MC80 full of dead bodies.
Discard the title.
Note that the rule is to discard the title to represent that what that ship was able to do is gone for good. The rule doesn't say repaint the ship, nor rename it.
When you don't equip an officer it doesn't mean there are no officers. It means that those officers are not skillful enough to make a difference.