It’s raw, I know, but the center piece is the 75 with Fire Control and RLB for a couple of more blues and blacks. Everything else is swappable really. I’m just thinking about how to get that double crit to fire.

also, for the math nerds, is it better to put in the twins to re-roll 3 blacks, or have the BWings pop out for more raw dice?

Feedback is always appreciated!

BOOM
Author: Nictx

Faction: Rebel Alliance
Points: 399/400

Commander: General Dodonna

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Hyperspace Assault
Navigation Objective: Minefields

[ flagship ] MC75 Ordnance Cruiser (100 points)
- General Dodonna ( 20 points)
- Flight Commander ( 3 points)
- Fire-Control Team ( 2 points)
- Rapid Launch Bays ( 6 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
- Assault Concussion Missiles ( 7 points)
= 150 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 72 total ship cost

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36 points)
- Garel's Honor ( 4 points)
- Jyn Erso ( 4 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 47 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- Bright Hope ( 2 points)
- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)
- Expanded Hangar Bay ( 5 points)
- Bomber Command Center ( 8 points)
= 40 total ship cost

2 B-Wing Squadrons ( 28 points)
2 X-Wing Squadrons ( 26 points)
1 Jan Ors ( 19 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)

This looks super fun! I'd be a little concerned about not having a way to reroll the black dice if they go cold on you though.

I’d ditch the ACM, which doesn’t combo well with APTs. APTs don’t work with the default crit, so WAB maybe? RLB Luke and Admo would be really nice to fit. It’s pretty hard to find what else to remove, but EHB, swap out a B/X-wing and maybe Jyn?

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I’d ditch the ACM, which doesn’t combo well with APTs. APTs don’t work with the default crit, so WAB maybe? RLB Luke and Admo would be really nice to fit. It’s pretty hard to find what else to remove, but EHB, swap out a B/X-wing and maybe Jyn?

Am I misunderstanding how Fire Control Teams work? I thought it would strip shields from adjacent zones and deal a face up?

2 hours ago, Doc58 said:

This looks super fun! I'd be a little concerned about not having a way to reroll the black dice if they go cold on you though.

Yeah, that’s the rub. I was hoping one of the math nerds, I mean mathematically inclined individuals, could calculate difference between having more dice vs re-rollable dice.

1 hour ago, RogueCommander said:

Am I misunderstanding how Fire Control Teams work? I thought it would strip shields from adjacent zones and deal a face up?

It does what you think it does. The issue is they kill in different ways. APTs take a "drill" approach (as do XI7s and seemingly WAB), while ACMs take a "pound you everywhere at once" approach. I'll admit the combo might be more applicable with FCT though, since it's only one ship carrying both. CGYSO has a better explanation under ordnance upgrades.

Speaking as a mathematically inclined individual, three black dice out the front deals 3 average damage, 2 out the sides, 57.8% chance of crits out the front, out the side it's 43.75%.

Derp

No reroll black dice do 0.75 avg. damage each; with a reroll it's 1. Crit calculations are the part I struggle with, but they matter here...

The Twins: 3.75 avg. damage from black dice, 5.25 avg. damage, 82.2% chance of one or more crits if you reroll aggressively, 67.5 chance of crits if you only reroll blanks (I think.)

The B-wings: 5 avg. damage from black dice, 8 avg damage, with BCC black dice damage (and therefore total damage) is increased by 0.5. Still a 57.8% chance of a crit.

What it kind of boils down to is this: how much to you want your Dodonna APT crits, and are you leaving out the B-wings to get the twins?

1 hour ago, The Jabbawookie said:

No reroll black dice do 0.75 avg. damage each; with a reroll it's 1. Crit calculations are the part I struggle with, but they matter here...

The Twins: 3.75 avg. damage from black dice, 5.25 avg. damage, 82.2% chance of one or more crits if you reroll aggressively, 67.5 chance of crits if you only reroll blanks (I think.)

The B-wings: 5 avg. damage from black dice, 8 avg damage, with BCC black dice damage (and therefore total damage) is increased by 0.5. Still a 75% chance of a crit.

What it kind of boils down to is this: how much to you want your Dodonna APT crits, and are you leaving out the B-wings to get the twins?

Yeah, that’s the rub. For the Bwing trick, it kind of necessitates RLB, which kicks the twins off the MC75...

i think try the RLB method first, because with Toryn and BCC giving at least some rerolls... that could be ungodly burst damage from any arc

Very nice!

That Xzibit gr75 will be a major target for your opponent, as well as the mc75.

10 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

No reroll black dice do 0.75 avg. damage each; with a reroll it's 1. Crit calculations are the part I struggle with, but they matter here...

Without a reroll, black dice average 1 damage. With a reroll, the average is 1.25, regardless of whether you reroll only blanks, or reroll blanks and single hits.

Your crit probability calculations are correct.

8 hours ago, Ritalbringer said:

Very nice!

That Xzibit gr75 will be a major target for your opponent, as well as the mc75.

Agreed. I was hoping that the 30 and the HH would be an adequate screen. It’s hard to say at this point. Only one way to find out!

I’d swap ACM with EX rax and FCT for either C&S or OE for a way to reroll those blacks. I just don’t see you reliably getting them off every shot, and I feel it would be better to improve the quality of both of your shots vs gambling for an “ok” crit stack

What I really need is a second offensive retrofit slot...

>reaches for sharpie<

there we go. I’m sure no one will notice.

?

You are aware that the Twins are a weapons team not an offensive retrofit right?

Whoops!

yet another derp moment.

Profundity (400/400)
Rebels - Author: RogueCommander

Commander: General Dodonna

[flagship] MC75 Ordnance Cruiser (100)
- General Dodonna (20)
- Electronic Counter Measures (7)
- Rapid Launch Bays (6)
- Flight Commander (3)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)
- External Racks (3)
- Caitken and Shollan (6)
= 150 total points

Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
- Garel's Honor (4)
- Jyn Erso (4)
- External Racks (3)
= 47 total points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
- Bright Hope (2)
- Bomber Command Center (8)
- Toryn Farr (7)
= 35 total points

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)
- Ordnance Experts (4)
= 72 total points

Squadrons (96/134):
1x B-Wing Squadron (14)
1x Shara Bey A-wing Squadron (17)
1x Luke Skywalker X-Wing Squadron (20)
2x X-Wing Squadron (26)
1x Moldy Crow - Jan Ors (19)

so, that could hurt.