15 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I don't know if taking stuff outside of the context of the full list tells the full story. Rebel SimNym will spit out a bomb in the lane he wants to close off, freeze it, and hunt stuff elsewhere with a decked out Miranda. So he's not just picking a direction and bombing...he's doing it twice....with Miranda on his wing...with her own missiles...and SLAM bombing if she wants. Seems scary.

Like @Tlfj200 is trying to say, I think...it's not that it can't be beat. It's that it doesn't look like fun to play against. Play against Crimson Specialist with Trajectory Simulator in a good list run by a good player and tell me if that's much fun to play against. The **** B/SF is a big black hole of pain wherever it goes.

The BSF is a little easier to stomach since its PS4, has no TLT, can't shoot a harpoon, or barrel roll etc..

You have to add Thermal Detonator or Ion Bombs or both to Trajectory Sim lists to get the full experience.

2 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Would Stay On Target be a worthwhile Elite Talent on a TS Nym?

He’d suffer too much against ps9 and Miranda. VI is almost glued to him.

1 minute ago, Vargas79 said:

This. TS Nym demolishes aces. It’s not even close. Poe is the best counter.

We‘re clearly using different definitions of ‚ace‘. Mine here: many points (>30, usually >33), small base, low(ish) HP, at least one reposition.

9 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I'm not so sure about that.

This Nym gives the aces huge problems in how to even get across the table to engage - you've no chance to remove Nym before he really gets to be a problem with his bombs dropped from behind him. Plus with Ion & Proton bombs the penalty for getting caught it significantly worse than it was.

I'd say it's probably worse for aces.

Maybe, I don‘t know. Rocks can be used to get around that. And - unlike bomblet - Nym will have limited shots. Baiting 1-2 without damage will definitely make the Nym player at least more careful.

12 minutes ago, gennataos said:

Like @Tlfj200 is trying to say, I think...it's not that it can't be beat. It's that it doesn't look like fun to play against.

I don‘t think that point is still debated. Just whether there is a difference between the two builds.

13 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I don't know if taking stuff outside of the context of the full list tells the full story. Rebel SimNym will spit out a bomb in the lane he wants to close off, freeze it, and hunt stuff elsewhere with a decked out Miranda. So he's not just picking a direction and bombing...he's doing it twice....with Miranda on his wing...with her own missiles...and SLAM bombing if she wants. Seems scary.

I agree. I don‘t think area denial is so bad, especially at a cost of 5points. That part is not too different from minefield mapper though.

But you‘re right, the combination is really problematic and changing the interaction of TrajSim and Genius might be one way to fix it. Of course changes to TLT, MirandaRegen and Harpoons (plus Lowhhrick, maybe TimewalkAsajj) are also important. Maybe even more

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

We‘re clearly using different definitions of ‚ace‘. Mine here: many points (>30, usually >33), small base, low(ish) HP, at least one reposition.

Maybe, I don‘t know. Rocks can be used to get around that. And - unlike bomblet - Nym will have limited shots. Baiting 1-2 without damage will definitely make the Nym player at least more careful.

I don‘t think that point is still debated. Just whether there is a difference between the two builds.

I agree. I don‘t think area denial is so bad, especially at a cost of 5points. That part is not too different from minefield mapper though.

But you‘re right, the combination is really problematic and changing the interaction of TrajSim and Genius might be one way to fix it. Of course changes to TLT, MirandaRegen and Harpoons (plus Lowhhrick, maybe TimewalkAsajj) are also important. Maybe even more

No, our definitions are aligned. My Nym build might differ though as I use autoblaster turret.

I definitely prefer Traj sim nym over the other versions.

The Scurgg still needs to lose all its ept slots for balance reasons. Ps10 bombing shouldn't be a thing.

8 minutes ago, Vargas79 said:

No, our definitions are aligned. My Nym build might differ though as I use autoblaster turret.

I was just confused because you said back to back that Nym demolishes aces and that an ace is the best counter: "TS Nym demolishes aces. It’s not even close. Poe is the best counter."

One of the key takeouts from the whole regional suite this weekend is that you need a fat ***. Anything with low HP just can't handle the meta.

20 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

The BSF is a little easier to stomach since its PS4, has no TLT, can't shoot a harpoon, or barrel roll etc..

You have to add Thermal Detonator or Ion Bombs or both to Trajectory Sim lists to get the full experience.

"Crimson Specialist" — B/SF-17 Bomber	27
Trajectory Simulator	1
Bomblet Generator	3
Ship Total: 31
Captain Nym (Rebel) — Scurrg H-6 Bomber	30
Veteran Instincts	1
Twin Laser Turret	6
Extra Munitions	2
Harpoon Missiles	4
Thermal Detonators	3
Trajectory Simulator	1
"Genius"	0
Long-Range Scanners	0
Havoc	0
Ship Total: 47
Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) — Sheathipede-class Shuttle	20
Veteran Instincts	1
Flight-Assist Astromech	1
Ship Total: 22

No Sabine. I approve as an opponent.

18 hours ago, Mynock Delta said:

Judges do have a consensus: it works. However, it is completely abusive, and I hope FFG addresses it quickly.

It's only a one time thing though, how bad is that?

@Simonsays3 played a Nym/Miranda against my QD/Vess/scim list. It was actually a close game, and IMO it was fun. Nym threw his bombs out like he should have, and Nym used all of his bombs that game. I thought the game was fun because it challenged me to win despite flying differently than I wanted to. A few things I did to counter the bombs:

1. Barrel roll out of range 1 of bomb locations. He missed with 2 of his bombs because of my repositioning.

2. Ion cannon. I was able to ion Miranda, and she didn't drop a single bomb all game. She died without being much of a force at all.

3. Intel agent on the scim allowed me to block Nym, so that he couldn't use Genius.

The game was a challenge for me, which is why I thought it was fun. There is a write up on my Bat Reps thread.

49 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

The BSF is a little easier to stomach since its PS4, has no TLT, can't shoot a harpoon, or barrel roll etc..

That was my point. The B/SF is a pain as it is. Now add all that stuff and...ew.

39 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

I was just confused because you said back to back that Nym demolishes aces and that an ace is the best counter: "TS Nym demolishes aces. It’s not even close. Poe is the best counter."

Apologies, that should have read “Of the aces, Poe is the best counter.”

32 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

It's only a one time thing though, how bad is that?

4 times if you have dispoable bombs and extra munitions. 4 proton bombs is enough to ruin most opponents.

32 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

One of the key takeouts from the whole regional suite this weekend is that you need a fat ***. Anything with low HP just can't handle the meta.

Well, a couple of my friends are running ion bombs and having a lot of health doesn't help there as they health doesn't help there. I haven't played again it myself yet, but I actually find that scarier than others as once its locked down a ship, it's done either because it eats harpoons next turn or can be walked off the board.

2 hours ago, Vargas79 said:

Apologies, that should have read “Of the aces, Poe is the best counter.”

Also QD with VI and Poons, Vader with VI and Poons, ...

"Aces" with less then Pilot 10 have a hard time though.

1 hour ago, Rangor said:

Also QD with VI and Poons, Vader with VI and Poons, ...

"Aces" with less then Pilot 10 have a hard time though.

Vader and QD struggles with Miranda though. Poe is fine with TLT.

On 1/9/2018 at 4:09 PM, Sekac said:

But that trick works, at the absolute most, 2 4 times. Then you've got no bombs, no droid, and no system.

Is it really that bad?

The opening is a chucked Bomblet with Sabine, followed up by a Harpoon Missile, than a 5-dice Harpoon Missile. I understand people have varying standards, but by mine, yes, that's abominable.

12 hours ago, Boba Rick said:

It's only a one time thing though, how bad is that?

Extra Munitions. And then using Trajectory Simulator the "normal" way infinitely thereafter (or Genius again if it's for a key kill). So many options, and we haven't even discussed Nym's ability to pin them in place.

6 hours ago, Mynock Delta said:

Extra Munitions. And then using Trajectory Simulator the "normal" way infinitely thereafter (or Genius again if it's for a key kill). So many options, and we haven't even discussed Nym's ability to pin them in place.

Yeah, a held Nym bomb can herd their entire list into the aforementioned TS bomb + 2x Missile

6 hours ago, Mynock Delta said:

The opening is a chucked Bomblet with Sabine, followed up by a Harpoon Missile, than a 5-dice Harpoon Missile. I understand people have varying standards, but by mine, yes, that's abominable.

I've only seen builds with different bombs and bomblets on Miranda. To keep the forward hurling bombs more open. Nym rarely seems to live as long as Miranda, so the Bomblet does more work on her.

Either way, definitely don't joust it with anything short of Quad Gunboats.

Its savage, it poses problems ... it kills things like Corran and Airen in a single turn (often a single proton bomb)

I've played a variant twice ... won one, lost one ... I was flying the PS10 rebel Alpha, so it has a good game against this ... as long as Nym doesn't kill Airen with a direct hit proton bomb before first engage.

As discussion goes ... it's not a fun list to fly against.

Does anyone remember last week I was talking about putting this on Sol Sixxa with a Deadeye Jostero in the same squad? Now I really wanna try it.....

Would it help if they made it unique? Maybe a little? Probably not.

1 hour ago, Boba Rick said:

Would it help if they made it unique? Maybe a little? Probably not.

B/SF only.

18 minutes ago, AlexW said:

B/SF only.

B/SF only or on any other ship you may only equip one Bomb upgrade card on this ship.

I want my Sol Sixxa Bomblet Generator Trajectory Simulator Jostero destroyor combo, yo!