This came up at the Regional in Marietta this weekend.

Can a player DEPLOY a non "mobile" character on blocking terrain in the deployment zone? The TO allowed it citing some developer comment on the forum but I must have missed it. I am fine with the ruling but I think FFG needs to find a better way to communicate these rulings to the public, and this is what I believe to be the bigger issue here.

I believe this is based off a ruling that Todd made at an even (last year Worlds IIRC).

I was a judge for Magic for over 15 year- and judged for other systems as well. It is unrealistic to expect all the rulings that are made at events to be kept track of and posted. I am sure more than a few people have send in messages to FFG, if not Todd directly. I suspect this will be cleared up before the week is out, if not today.

I don't think you can do that unless you're massive/mobile. You wouldn't be able to move off the space because you can't move through red lines.

Agreed that it would be nice if FFG organized a Rulings Wiki, etc. @a1bert maintains an officially unofficial thread on BGG with FFG rulings:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1373530/ffg-unofficial-answers-rules-questions-thread-read

From the rule book

1 hour ago, Trudem said:

This came up at the Regional in Marietta this weekend.

Can a player DEPLOY a non "mobile" character on blocking terrain in the deployment zone?

No. A figure without massive or mobile cannot enter a space with blocking or impassable terrain, and as clarified in the FAQ, figures enter spaces when they are placed during deployment.

You may be thinking of the wrong ruling in some Worlds where a token was placed on blocking terrain incorrectly. (The token could be placed in an adjacent space, but a space with blocking terrain is not adjacent to any other space or figure.)

42 minutes ago, NuSair said:

From the rule book

Yeah I saw the discussion on Facebook. What I don’t get is that using this FAQ point to argue FOR being able to deploy any figure to literally any spot regardless of restrictions is begging the question. It doesn’t make any sense at all.

This was a faq point someone in the discussion tried to use to say it was able to be done though.

1 hour ago, NuSair said:

From the rule book

Only applies if the object or figure already is on an invalid (blocking or impassable) space. ("occupies")

I don't know of any actual way for a figure to end in an illegal space. Objects can get there by a) through setup (see campaign missions from especially Return to Hoth, but there are others), b) having been carried and dropped (probably only by the figure being defeated while carrying a token).

1 minute ago, a1bert said:

Only applies if the object or figure already is on an invalid space.

I don't know any legal way for a figure to end in an illegal space. Objects can get there by a) through setup, b) having been carried and dropped.

One other person did suggest, maybe there’s a fringe campaign setup where a figure is deployed to an illegal space for reasons, and this covers how to get them out?

But I would think the “place” in deployment and the “place” in “place” have to be the same rules? In the rrg

Force Jump grants Mobile for the duration of the move but also requires that you don't end movement on blocking or impassable terrain. However, Parting Blow in conjunction with Force Jump could cause the figure to end movement in blocking/impassable terrain. Parting Blow requires an adjacent space, and a space with blocking terrain is never adjacent to any other space or figure.

Apart from that, I don't remember any way for a non-massive, non-mobile figure to end movement on blocking/impassable terrain.

Skip to 3:48. They also did it at Nationals.

They? You mean the player on the left? The player is simply wrong.

2 minutes ago, a1bert said:

They? You mean the player on the left? The player is simply wrong.

From my understanding multiple people did it at NOVA. I am good either way I just want a definitive answer from FFG so there isnt anymore back and forth.

They are mistaken. Pretty straightforward from the RRG:

Blocking Terrain

Blocking terrain is represented by a solid red line surrounding
a space of the map. Figures cannot enter, be pushed into, count
spaces through, or trace line of sight through blocking terrain.

Enter

Some effects are triggered when a figure enters a space. Entering
a space includes when a figure moves into, is pushed into, or is
placed in the space by an effect.

Skirmish Setup

4. Deploy Units: The player with initiative chooses either the
red or blue deployment zone shown on the skirmish mission's
diagram. He deploys all of his figures in this deployment zone.

Deployment

When a player deploys figures, he places the Deployment card
faceup and in the ready position on the table. Then, he places all
figures from that group in and as close as possible to the location
indicated by the campaign guide or deployment zone.

Place

· When a figure is placed, it enters the space(s) where it is placed.

The FAQ entry only applies when a figure occupies the space, ask how the figure ended up occupying the space, because the rules prevent a non-massive, non-mobile figure from entering a blocking/impassable terrain space.

Thanks @a1bert, that is an awesome break down.

1 hour ago, Trudem said:

From my understanding multiple people did it at NOVA. I am good either way I just want a definitive answer from FFG so there isnt anymore back and forth.

No one I played against did this at nova

59 minutes ago, brettpkelly said:

No one I played against did this at nova

No one did it against me either but I was told it happened by someone I traveled with to both NOVA and this regional.

The player on the left was Desmond. The TO at Nova open. I did have someone deploy in the blocking terrain against me at Nova but not at the marietta regional. I understand both ways of interpretation. It doesn't bother me either way.

Well, everybody makes mistakes, especially with a game with as complicated rules as this. Luckily this kind of mistake doesn't really affect the game much at all, so not a big deal really.

Hopefully people don't spread this incorrect information though. I played someone on Vassal last night who thought you could deploy to the blocking terrain.

I've seen this more than once. I was also told that it was the TO who said it was ok. I let it go since it was not a premier tournament, and this issue had never come up before, so I did not have the time or resources to check the rules. Thanks for clarifying.

I think I'm getting myself confused with this discussion. Maybe y'all can clarify if this statement is true:

Since Massive & Mobile figures are allowed to enter blocking & impassable terrain, when they are deployed they can occupy blocking & impassable terrain spaces.

1 hour ago, cnemmick said:

Since Massive & Mobile figures are allowed to enter blocking & impassable terrain, when they are deployed they can occupy blocking & impassable terrain spaces.

Since Massive & Mobile figures are allowed to enter blocking & impassable terrain, when they are deployed they can occupy be placed on blocking & impassable terrain spaces. (Thus ending movement on them and to occupy them.)

But not other figures.

Massive and Mobile figures already have rules for blocking and impassable terrain, so the FAQ entry doesn't (really) affect them either.

@a1bert you are the salve of my soul. Thank you.