17 minutes ago, TheRabidAardvark said:

You mean like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi? Before the prequels came out?

At least the Emperor in Return of the Jedi actually, you know, stood up .

On 1/7/2018 at 7:28 AM, Trghpu1994 said:

Is Snoke or Dooku the worst movie villain? I haven't read all of the E.U, so I can't compare them to much. At least Snoke made it to supreme chancellor Dooku just died disarmed (quite literally). Maybe it's Dooku. Snoke' character just wasn't interesting in TLJ. Just seems like a Palp wannabe but less dynamic. But TLJ seemed like and ESB wannabe.

Snoke was an interesting character with a lot of potential until Rian Johnson got a hold of him. Rian Johnson didn't do anything interesting with Snoke and then killed him off in the anti-climatic throne room scene. Rian Johnson dropped the ball with Snoke just like he did with all the other characters, mysteries, and plot threads that JJ Abrams set up in The Force Awakens.

On 8/1/2018 at 9:08 PM, FTS Gecko said:

Yeah, he's pretty much the only First Order officer we've seen so far to show any kind of comoetence. It was a shame he had such a brief role

Yup. Except that FO Officer, Imperial officers seem competent compared to the buffoonery of the First Order.(*)

The chasing of the Mon Calamari is one of the stupidest things ever.

(*) the officer in command of Scarif is close. And the captains of the ISDs over Scarif, also.

3 hours ago, Malasombra said:

Yup. Except that FO Officer, Imperial officers seem competent compared to the buffoonery of the First Order.(*)

The chasing of the Mon Calamari is one of the stupidest things ever.

(*) the officer in command of Scarif is close. And the captains of the ISDs over Scarif, also.

Yea, you kind of want competent villains who can serve as an actual threat to the heroes that they need to triumph over, not just some minor obstacle that no one can take all that seriously. The Imperials in Rebels come off as rather inept too, much more so in the first two seasons. But in defense of the commander of Scarif and the captains of those two ISD I think they were likely not the best officers of their year, that they would be like a couple military police standing out of a boring library where nothing happens and the officer in charge of the library isn't used to anything of important happening. But you want your main villains to at least be competent, say like Piett but the ST has yet to give us one, aside from the Dreadnought officer who might be one of my favorite characters from that film.

16 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Yea, you kind of want competent villains who can serve as an actual threat to the heroes that they need to triumph over, not just some minor obstacle that no one can take all that seriously. The Imperials in Rebels come off as rather inept too, much more so in the first two seasons. But in defense of the commander of Scarif and the captains of those two ISD I think they were likely not the best officers of their year, that they would be like a couple military police standing out of a boring library where nothing happens and the officer in charge of the library isn't used to anything of important happening. But you want your main villains to at least be competent, say like Piett but the ST has yet to give us one, aside from the Dreadnought officer who might be one of my favorite characters from that film.

You could also make an argument that the Empire didn't consider the Rebellion to be a legitimate military threat (there's certainly a LOT of arrogant dismissal of the Alliance's capabilities at Tarkin's briefing table in the original film) and that led to a lack of training standards. The significant back-to-back victories at Scarif and Yavin served as a wake-up call, and forced the Empire to step up its game in the aftermath.

22 minutes ago, Ambaryerno said:

You could also make an argument that the Empire didn't consider the Rebellion to be a legitimate military threat (there's certainly a LOT of arrogant dismissal of the Alliance's capabilities at Tarkin's briefing table in the original film) and that led to a lack of training standards. The significant back-to-back victories at Scarif and Yavin served as a wake-up call, and forced the Empire to step up its game in the aftermath.

Makes sense, especially with the 3 year gap between ANH and ESB. I'm sure it didn't take too long for Vader to strangle the inept people under his command until he either had Clone Wars veteran captains or newly trained competent ones.

I find it kind of funny in a way though, how at least I like a bunch of the background characters in the OT, like Piett and Wedge whereas no one really stands out at the moment from the ST, aside from the dreadnought captain I mentioned. Imagine how much more some of these characters could stand out if our villains were intimidating, I mean look at Piett he comes off as a normal captain and all but he manages to last ESB to ROTJ without making any mistakes or any serious ones at least since we know how Vader deals with that. It just makes him come off as competent and in my mind rather cool.

16 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

You could also make an argument that the Empire didn't consider the Rebellion to be a legitimate military threat (there's certainly a LOT of arrogant dismissal of the Alliance's capabilities at Tarkin's briefing table in the original film) and that led to a lack of training standards. The significant back-to-back victories at Scarif and Yavin served as a wake-up call, and forced the Empire to step up its game in the aftermath.

To be defeated by teddy bears at the end...

17 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

Yea, you kind of want competent villains who can serve as an actual threat to the heroes that they need to triumph over, not just some minor obstacle that no one can take all that seriously. The Imperials in Rebels come off as rather inept too, much more so in the first two seasons. But in defense of the commander of Scarif and the captains of those two ISD I think they were likely not the best officers of their year, that they would be like a couple military police standing out of a boring library where nothing happens and the officer in charge of the library isn't used to anything of important happening. But you want your main villains to at least be competent, say like Piett but the ST has yet to give us one, aside from the Dreadnought officer who might be one of my favorite characters from that film.

Yup. It's obvious that the garrison at Scarif are reserve troops or even worst.

3 hours ago, Malasombra said:

To be defeated by teddy bears at the end...

Technically they were beaten by Chewbacca with a stolen AT-ST.

Jeeze. Not only does he not get a medal for Yavin, but now the historical revisionists are downplaying his heroism at Endor. Poor Wookiee just can't catch a break.

3 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Technically they were beaten by Chewbacca with a stolen AT-ST.

Jeeze. Not only does he not get a medal for Yavin, but now the historical revisionists are downplaying his heroism at Endor. Poor Wookiee just can't catch a break.

Well... look how the medals served to Solo and Skywalker? Who is still alive, without a single grey hair, and in charge of the MF?

And the Teddybears did something. Do not give all the credit to the walking carpet...

2 minutes ago, Malasombra said:

Well... look how the medals served to Solo and Skywalker? Who is still alive, without a single grey hair, and in charge of the MF?

And the Teddybears did something. Do not give all the credit to the walking carpet...

Just don't forget that the Rebel ground troops held the line outside the shield bunker.

People always overlook the fact that when the Ewoks tried to fight a conventional ground battle they were getting their furry butts handed to them. It was only after they switched to guerilla tactics (ambushes, booby traps, etc) that they began to get the upper hand (almost as if it was an allegory for how the US thrashed the NVA, but failed against the irregular tactics of the VC...)

On ‎16‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 5:31 PM, Ambaryerno said:

Just don't forget that the Rebel ground troops held the line outside the shield bunker.

People always overlook the fact that when the Ewoks tried to fight a conventional ground battle they were getting their furry butts handed to them. It was only after they switched to guerilla tactics (ambushes, booby traps, etc) that they began to get the upper hand (almost as if it was an allegory for how the US thrashed the NVA, but failed against the irregular tactics of the VC...)

Untill they got captured.

About the allegory: Lucas intended to have a low tech race (originaly the Wookies but later reworked into the Ewoks) defeat the technologically advanced empire. So it is kinda correct.

Also technology only goes so far. Especially in war, wich is basically a cuttroath game of economics. If you have to use million dollar jets to drop napalm bombs to get rid of a handfull of self sufficient guerillias becuase they are killing your ground forces with homemade AK's you're gonna loose.

13 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

Untill they got captured.

About the allegory: Lucas intended to have a low tech race (originaly the Wookies but later reworked into the Ewoks) defeat the technologically advanced empire. So it is kinda correct.

Also technology only goes so far. Especially in war, wich is basically a cuttroath game of economics. If you have to use million dollar jets to drop napalm bombs to get rid of a handfull of self sufficient guerillias becuase they are killing your ground forces with homemade AK's you're gonna loose.

Technology is good, but it'll only get you so far. The US discovered that in Vietnam, the USSR discovered that in Afghanistan, and the Galactic Empire discovered that on Endor.

As for the cost of bombs, that's why I like the K-Wing A-10. It's cheap (for a military jet), effective, reliable, and survivable. I think I looked up the cost of its ammunition once, and even a 100-round burst from its Avenger cannon is a tiny fraction of the cost of a single modern bomb or missile. (Of course, it still has hardpoints for when a massive gun won't do the trick.)

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

Technology is good, but it'll only get you so far. The US discovered that in Vietnam, the USSR discovered that in Afghanistan, and the Galactic Empire discovered that on Endor.

As for the cost of bombs, that's why I like the K-Wing A-10. It's cheap (for a military jet), effective, reliable, and survivable. I think I looked up the cost of its ammunition once, and even a 100-round burst from its Avenger cannon is a tiny fraction of the cost of a single modern bomb or missile. (Of course, it still has hardpoints for when a massive gun won't do the trick.)

Yeah Warthogs are awesome. It's 80% gun, 20% airplane. I saw a documentary about it once. One of the fighter pilots said "his wife could smell it when he had fired his gun". Wich is about the most awesomly macho sentance I've ever heard.

But I'll draw the line at the Spooky Gunship. That's like something out of Crimson skies or warhammer 40k. Airplanes should not be able to fire broadsides!

While in the last jedi la resitance has the slowest bombers everrrrr.

Part of the way I grade grand Arch Villians is how much I can quote them.

Snoke had very limited selection of cool, quotable and memorable lines.

Grand Moff Tarkin, Count Dooku and The Emperor had so many great one liners, zingers and ate up the screen scenes with them.

**** even Jabba had ‘my kind of scum.’

Snoke had, ‘Darkness Rises, and Light to Meet It.’

That’s a bloody greeting card.

1 hour ago, Robin Graves said:

Yeah Warthogs are awesome. It's 80% gun, 20% airplane. I saw a documentary about it once. One of the fighter pilots said "his wife could smell it when he had fired his gun". Wich is about the most awesomly macho sentance I've ever heard.

But I'll draw the line at the Spooky Gunship. That's like something out of Crimson skies or warhammer 40k. Airplanes should not be able to fire broadsides!

While in the last jedi la resitance has the slowest bombers everrrrr.

I respectfully disagree. A broadside from an AC-130 is awesome!

Hm...maybe if we took some heavy turbolasers and lined them up on one side of a YT-1300...

So where does that at villain wise for episode 9? Is there another evil dark jedi/force user out there for kylo and Rey to defeat together? Can Kylo carry the bad guy thing alone and die in the end? Seems like an unlikely way for the Skywalker line to end...2 bad guys(Vader and Kylo) and one good guy (Luke)..feels like Disney isn't done making money off Kylo and Rey and would want more than one more movie

2 hours ago, Trghpu1994 said:

So where does that at villain wise for episode 9? Is there another evil dark jedi/force user out there for kylo and Rey to defeat together? Can Kylo carry the bad guy thing alone and die in the end? Seems like an unlikely way for the Skywalker line to end...2 bad guys(Vader and Kylo) and one good guy (Luke)..feels like Disney isn't done making money off Kylo and Rey and would want more than one more movie

Phasma will come back again and assume complete control...

29 minutes ago, Robin Graves said:

Phasma will come back again and assume complete control...

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

23 hours ago, Trghpu1994 said:

I got 2 bets riding on this: 1 She'll be back. 2 we get to see her whole face this time.

I swear man, Cap. Phasma is the Kenny of Star Wars.

18 hours ago, Robin Graves said:

I swear man, Cap. Phasma is the Kenny of Star Wars.

On 1/7/2018 at 7:18 AM, Ambaryerno said:

The big problem with Snoke is that after all the mystery surrounding him in TFA, TLJ makes it all pretty much irrelevant by ending that plot thread as anticlimactically as possible (a recurring thing through TLJ. "Who's Snoke? Doesn't matter, 'cause he's going down like a punk." "Who are Rey's parents? Doesn't matter, they're just the sort of white trash you see getting CPA called on them on an episode of Cops").

However of the films, I'd have to say it's a toss-up between Maul and Boba Fett. The former was just a walking plot device with no characterization that people just like because he LOOKS cool, and were brainwashed into thinking his weapon was awesome (reality check: The double lightsaber is the STUPIDEST WEAPON IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE and anyone who says Rey should have one too needs to be taken out and bludgeoned to death with a gaffi stick. It's COMPLETELY impractical, impossible to use as a proper staff, and dangerous to use as a sword. But OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! twirly lights! @#$%ing Gillard can burn in ****). The latter wasn't EVEN a plot device. He just looked cool standing around in the background.

Of the entire franchise? The worst villain was Daala by FAR. Built up as this genius military commander, and yet she may be THE most incompetent flag officer in the ENTIRE history of the Empire. And that's saying A LOT. And EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. she was beaten she threw a temper tantrum and broke down in tears. After reading her PMS her way through four unreadable Kevin J. Anderson novels I just wanted her killed off already. And then SOMEHOW she ends up elected as President of the Alliance? GOD I'm glad I gave up on the EU after NJO.

Did you steal my brain or something? Because this is almost exactly what I would have said with one tiny caveat:

Daala did arrange the meeting of the other ineffective Imperial Warlords and effectively found the Imperial Remnant. Were an actually competent leader at the helm (such a Pellaeon) then the New Republic would probably have had a much harder time establishing itself.

On 1/7/2018 at 10:18 AM, Ambaryerno said:

The double lightsaber is the STUPIDEST WEAPON IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE and anyone who says Rey should have one too needs to be taken out and bludgeoned to death with a gaffi stick. It's COMPLETELY impractical, impossible to use as a proper staff, and dangerous to use as a sword.

This just shows how much of a bad *** Ray Park is to make that **** work. These movies would have ended in episode 1 if he had proper weapons ?