9 hours ago, Astech said:

I'm really hoping that Luke hasn't actually died, since Mark Hamill really made TLJ for me. He was on-point throughout the whole thing, only to be killed off by a mid-life crisis, apparently. It'd be nice to have Han and Leia, but CGI just isn't there yet.

I'm pretty sure that he'll be back as a Force ghost in Episode 9, and 2 lines makes me think that he'll appear to Ben and not Rey.

During their duel, Luke says to Kylo: ''Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you''. Then, right before disapearing he says: ''See you around, kid''.

It could be nice to see Luke haunt Kylo as his conscience and ultimatly help in turning him back to the light side.

But even if he was not part of Episode 9, that last duel with Kylo and then the image with the Twin Sun was a very good end for him. It's one of my personal favorite Star Wars scene and one of the best duel.

On 1/6/2018 at 6:10 PM, SabineKey said:

I'm really hoping she and Snap were off on another assignment, maybe making contact with Resistance allies or some such.

Well, it's very clear that the Star Wars cinematic canon is not being treated with a heck of a lot of care of consistency standards, and sorely lacks someone like Lucas at the helm or a model similar to how the Marvel Cinematic Universe is curated for consistency and detail. Allegedly Johnson was pretty much allowed to do whatever he wanted with Episode 8, and it sounds like JJ did not leave anyone with any notes or story ideas for how to follow Episode 7. Similarly, it's assumed that Johnson has no idea how Episode 9 will flow from his film's ending, so it's up to JJ's team to figure all that out, script, film, and edit Episode 9 in two short years.

So it's not a surprise that in such a sloppy mess of a trilogy that is being rushed out on a schedule of two years per movie that minor characters like Jess and Snap (and the Resistance Admiral on D'Qar played by Ken Leung) and others are nowhere to be found in the new film, despite it starting literal hours after The Force Awakens and involving the entire band of Resistance cell members we come to meet in Episode 7. Safe to assume, I would think, that all of those characters died offscreen either battling the Dreadnaught or sitting aboard a transport trying to get to Crait, since the entire D'Qar resistance cell (and, from the sounds of it, the entire Resistance itself) is now down to about a dozen folks whom we all see on board the Falcon at the close of the film.


Especially since those minor characters were played by real-world friends of JJ Abrams--especially Greg Grunberg (Snap) and Ken Leung, both alums from Abrams' LOST and other projects. So Johnson rolls in, is given no notes or real guidance on Episode 8, but just knows he has to stick with the main characters of Episode 7 and that he's got costumes for Ackbar, Nien, and Ello (who is dead but we can just slap in another Abdeno pilot). But of course Johnson isn't going to give enough attention to detail to bring back the human actors who portrayed minor roles in the Resistance army in Episode 7 -- ****, this is a guy who doesn't care about how turbolasers or starship shields or Force Ghosts or hyperspace works as established across 40 years of material. Should we have expected any more attention to such minor details?


At least with the Original Trilogy years pass between the films, so we can assume lots of off-screen events might account for why surviving minor Rebel characters from one film aren't featured in subsequent films. We're also never told anything as constraining as "hey, the entire Rebellion is these 12 people on this single lightfreighter" which makes it much harder to justify minor characters surviving off screen between films.

Well according to the guide book snap and Pava were sent to off on an assignment to assist another cell. Yay, Pablo!

it's only a partial reprieve though, given that no other cell responds at the end. which does not bode well for the survival of any other cells that existed.

9 hours ago, Ken at Sunrise said:

I read somewhere, so I have no idea if it's true, that they saved some of Leia's best lines for the next moving. Literally rewriting the script, taking most of her work out of this one and saving it for the next movie. If so, it may be more than a throw-a-way line. Let's hope.

Given Colin Treverrow's body of work, I somehow really, really doubt that. I kind of expect that his handling of the female characters was the main point of contention between him and Kennedy.

As for minor character, Billie Lourd's character was given a bit of an expansion, so that was great.

14 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Soooo, who was that baby Padme named "Luke" and Obi Wan took to the Lars family in episode 3? Cameo's count too, so he is in 6.

lol, okay. vader is still in 7 movies, 8 if you count flashbacks of him in Nu-wars, so it still wouldnt be an even 6 and 6 films.

54 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

lol, okay. vader is still in 7 movies, 8 if you count flashbacks of him in Nu-wars, so it still wouldnt be an even 6 and 6 films.

But he's not even in any flashbacks.

1 hour ago, Vontoothskie said:

lol, okay. vader is still in 7 movies, 8 if you count flashbacks of him in Nu-wars, so it still wouldnt be an even 6 and 6 films.

That's true (at least 7, you're gonna have to prove the flash backs), but if we are drawing in non-episode movies, then I say other media is fair game. Care to count up all the cartoons, games, books, and comic books in canon that deal with Luke and Vader?

5 hours ago, SabineKey said:

That's true (at least 7, you're gonna have to prove the flash backs), but if we are drawing in non-episode movies, then I say other media is fair game. Care to count up all the cartoons, games, books, and comic books in canon that deal with Luke and Vader?

I disagree. A Movie is a pretty hard line. Just because it doesn't have "EPISODE...." as part of the title does not mean that it doesn't count.

By my count, we currently have 4 non-Episode Movies: Rogue One, Clone Wars, Ewoks- Caravan of Courage, and Ewoks- The Battle of Endor. Since the latter two are non-canon, and the second of those 4 is considered part of a TV run, I think we can give Vader's appearance in the sole remain non-Episode movie the billing it deserves without muddying the waters to add in the countless book, comics, and other media TIE-ins.

23 hours ago, Yakostovian said:

I'm actually kinda counting on Luke to be back in spirit form for EP9.

Yeah, it's not like being dead stopped Yoda, Obi Wan, Qui Gon, or Anakin in film canon and myriad others in even TV show canon (cough Maul chopped in freakin half hack). I'd be shocked if he doesn't show up somehow. Assuming Hamill is still with us; Leia was probably supposed to but she won't now

1 hour ago, Yakostovian said:

I disagree. A Movie is a pretty hard line. Just because it doesn't have "EPISODE...." as part of the title does not mean that it doesn't count.

By my count, we currently have 4 non-Episode Movies: Rogue One, Clone Wars, Ewoks- Caravan of Courage, and Ewoks- The Battle of Endor. Since the latter two are non-canon, and the second of those 4 is considered part of a TV run, I think we can give Vader's appearance in the sole remain non-Episode movie the billing it deserves without muddying the waters to add in the countless book, comics, and other media TIE-ins.

And that's where I have to disagree. The actual episodes are the ones that are suppose to tie into the "circular story" that started this discussion. Even in the sequels, it's about the Skywalker line and its effect on the galaxy. Rogue One is a side story. If side story's are going to be let in, I believe the distinction of media should be ignored because they are no less valid than the movies.

You may see it as muddying the waters, I see it as considering the whole of Star Wars rather than just one aspect of it. If one side story is considered admissible, then all the canon ones should be as well, regardless of media type.

26 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

And that's where I have to disagree. The actual episodes are the ones that are suppose to tie into the "circular story" that started this discussion. Even in the sequels, it's about the Skywalker line and its effect on the galaxy. Rogue One is a side story. If side story's are going to be let in, I believe the distinction of media should be ignored because they are no less valid than the movies.

You may see it as muddying the waters, I see it as considering the whole of Star Wars rather than just one aspect of it. If one side story is considered admissible, then all the canon ones should be as well, regardless of media type.

But I don't think the conversation started as "Vader is in X Episode movies" it was "Vader was in 6 movies." The "side story" distinction was introduced by you, if I am not mistaken.

To me, it's a movie that Vader is in. I'm not arguing that Rogue One is not an Episode movie, I'm arguing that based on the original parameters of the conversation, Rogue One meets the criteria of a "movie that Vader appears in." You yourself also said that cameos count, and that's what Vader effectively is in Rogue One.

1 minute ago, Yakostovian said:

But I don't think the conversation started as "Vader is in X Episode movies" it was "Vader was in 6 movies." The "side story" distinction was introduced by you, if I am not mistaken.

To me, it's a movie that Vader is in. I'm not arguing that Rogue One is not an Episode movie, I'm arguing that based on the original parameters of the conversation, Rogue One meets the criteria of a "movie that Vader appears in." You yourself also said that cameos count, and that's what Vader effectively is in Rogue One.

But you are missing the cause of the conversation. The origin point was based on circular story telling. In the end, I believe actual length is irrelevant for a cycle and have no problem with cycle being broken. However, when it comes to the main story, Vader and Luke do actually have the same number of movies. The person who started this didn't count Rogue One. That was brought in by another.

Let me ask you a question: Should the number of Luke movies equal Anakin's?

7 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

But you are missing the cause of the conversation. The origin point was based on circular story telling. In the end, I believe actual length is irrelevant for a cycle and have no problem with cycle being broken. However, when it comes to the main story, Vader and Luke do actually have the same number of movies. The person who started this didn't count Rogue One. That was brought in by another.

Let me ask you a question: Should the number of Luke movies equal Anakin's?

Should? Not really, no. If the story merits an apearance by Luke and not the Dark Lord of the Sith, then so be it. I don't think the circular story telling is a requisite of the Episode movies, personally.

3 minutes ago, Yakostovian said:

Should? Not really, no. If the story merits an apearance by Luke and not the Dark Lord of the Sith, then so be it. I don't think the circular story telling is a requisite of the Episode movies, personally.

Neither do I, but that does appear to be a sticking point for others. But I also feel that it is a misplaced sticking point as by the main story (which seemed to be the main focus of @Larky Bobble), the number of movies for both characters are the same.

Prediction for Episode 9:

Leia is dead/assassinated/buried. Rey is extremely sad at losing yet another parental figure. Poe is left with the huge responsibility of commanding his cell of the Resistance. Finn is now Resistance Special Ops and feels unguided. In orbit, the three of them have a bleak conversation about sparking the Resistance and defeating the First Order. A New Republic cruiser and small picket fleet exit hyperspace to the trio’s surprise and requests the Falcon to board their capital ship.

Falcon lands.

The three + Chewie steps out and is escorted to the bridge.

Bridge doors open and Billy Dee Williams as an older, much more experienced General Calrissian turns around, smiles, and says, “My friends!” as he is one of the last remaining bridges from the new trilogy to the OT

Rest of the movie doesn’t matter because we get Lando back.

3 minutes ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

Prediction for Episode 9:

Leia is dead/assassinated/buried. Rey is extremely sad. Poe is left with the huge responsibility of commanding his cell of the Resistance. Finn is now Resistance Special Ops. In orbit, the three of them have a bleak conversation about sparking the Resistance and defeating the First Order. A New Republic cruiser and small picket fleet exit hyperspace to the trio’s surprise and requests the Falcon to board their capital ship.

Falcon lands.

The three + Chewie steps out and is escorted to the bridge.

Bridge doors open and Billy Dee Williams as an older, much more experienced General Calrissian turns around, smiles, and says, “My friends!” as he is one of the last remaining bridges from the new trilogy to the OT

Rest of the movie doesn’t matter because we get Lando back.

Lando showing up as an ally ready to help and possibly taking Ackbar's place as Admiral is one of my big hopes for episode 9.

Are you guys really arguing over what qualifies as a movie Vader was in? On a different note. I don't know if this has been mentioned but;

Several people has suggested that Rey stole the Jedi books. Did anyone notice that when Finn opens the drawer, on the Falcon, for the blanket there were several books there. I thought it interesting that the camera paused there for a moment.

13 minutes ago, Ken at Sunrise said:

Are you guys really arguing over what qualifies as a movie Vader was in? On a different note. I don't know if this has been mentioned but;

Several people has suggested that Rey stole the Jedi books. Did anyone notice that when Finn opens the drawer, on the Falcon, for the blanket there were several books there. I thought it interesting that the camera paused there for a moment.

Maybe...

I thought that this was confirmed already.

I want Wedge AND Lando in the next movie. Is that too much to ask for?

14 minutes ago, Ken at Sunrise said:

Are you guys really arguing over what qualifies as a movie Vader was in? On a different note. I don't know if this has been mentioned but;

Several people has suggested that Rey stole the Jedi books. Did anyone notice that when Finn opens the drawer, on the Falcon, for the blanket there were several books there. I thought it interesting that the camera paused there for a moment.

I thought it was pretty obvious that those are the Jedi books. And if I remember correctly, we see it a second time in another scene.

34 minutes ago, Red Castle said:

I thought it was pretty obvious that those are the Jedi books. And if I remember correctly, we see it a second time in another scene.

Doesn't Yoda tell Luke something like "There is nothing in that tree that she does not already have" implying that she took the books?

4 minutes ago, SpikeSpiegel said:

Doesn't Yoda tell Luke something like "There is nothing in that tree that she does not already have" implying that she took the books?

Yes.

But at that moment we don't know yet that she took them so it's easy to interpret it that there is nothing else she could learn from them. I know a friend of mine was shocked to see Yoda burn the books, seeing it as a regression and a message that it's okay to burn books, even if we learn later that there was no book in there. I quite liked this scene, seeing it as a critique of our own religions. There is a distinction between the Force and the Jedi Order, just like there is a distinction between having the Faith and believing in the Church: the Faith is not between walls.

2 hours ago, Yakostovian said:

Maybe...

I thought that this was confirmed already.

I want Wedge AND Lando in the next movie. Is that too much to ask for?

No, though we likely won't get Wedge again. The actor was asked to come back for TFA but he wanted a role that was more than just some cameo. Apparently he is a busy British actor so he doesn't want to affect his main work for just standing in the background with a line or two. It would be great to see him back, but since he didn't come back for TFA it really seems like his character hasn't really been used in much of the canon for the Sequel Trilogy and that 30 year gap aside from Aftermath to my knowledge.

2 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Lando showing up as an ally ready to help and possibly taking Ackbar's place as Admiral is one of my big hopes for episode 9.

Lando was considered to come back in TLJ apparently at one point, in DJ's role but they eventually decided that it didn't make too much sense for Lando to betray the Resistance after his time with the Rebellion.

12 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

No, though we likely won't get Wedge again. The actor was asked to come back for TFA but he wanted a role that was more than just some cameo. Apparently he is a busy British actor so he doesn't want to affect his main work for just standing in the background with a line or two. It would be great to see him back, but since he didn't come back for TFA it really seems like his character hasn't really been used in much of the canon for the Sequel Trilogy and that 30 year gap aside from Aftermath to my knowledge.

Lando was considered to come back in TLJ apparently at one point, in DJ's role but they eventually decided that it didn't make too much sense for Lando to betray the Resistance after his time with the Rebellion.

Yeah, glad they didn't go that route with the character.

RIP Tallie

thats all I care about.

Wish Finn would have died.