8 hours ago, evanger said:

I wish the twin suns were Luke thinking of home at his end.

The TLJ Visual Dictionary says Ahch-To is a binary system...I think Pablo Hidalgo messed that detail up, though, ruining the symbolism of Luke’s final scene with a needless detail.

I don't think it's ruining the symbolism. That Ahch-To has two suns or not, that scene still make us all think back to the scene where a young farmer boy was dreaming of adventures while looking at two setting sun on Tatooine. I still think that Luke was thinking about his home planet at his end.

On 6-1-2018 at 11:24 PM, Animewarsdude said:

Luke, Han, Leia (?), Lor San Tekka, Phasma (?), New Republic, lots of deaths that week.

So is Phasma fin? (pun intended) And who is Lor San Tekka again? I know he is the old dude from the first scene in TFA, who had the map to Luke and gets killed by Kylo, but what's his back story? Was he secretly Obi-Wan? So many questions....

17 minutes ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

So is Phasma fin? (pun intended) And who is Lor San Tekka again? I know he is the old dude from the first scene in TFA, who had the map to Luke and gets killed by Kylo, but what's his back story? Was he secretly Obi-Wan? So many questions....

Considering that Phasma came back in TLJ she might show up to be useless in the next film too, a Star Wars Kenny if you will. Lor San Tekka was introduced in the film without any real backstory, but apparently he was a follower of the jedi religion or something. The Sequel Trilogy isn't that great on world building so they just expect you as an audience member to either not care of go and read the books they put out to explain their film's lack of detail/plot holes.

8 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Considering that Phasma came back in TLJ she might show up to be useless in the next film too, a Star Wars Kenny if you will. Lor San Tekka was introduced in the film without any real backstory, but apparently he was a follower of the jedi religion or something. The Sequel Trilogy isn't that great on world building so they just expect you as an audience member to either not care of go and read the books they put out to explain their film's lack of detail/plot holes.

Ok cool! I agree both on Phasma and the world-building, but if they expect you to read a book they could at least promote it XD

19 minutes ago, Wookiee_Slayer said:

Ok cool! I agree both on Phasma and the world-building, but if they expect you to read a book they could at least promote it XD

No film should expect books to explain the story, if a film doesn't set itself up to tell a story entirely then it should go back and be worked over until it can do its job right. If you are interested in Phasma though I've heard that the Phasma book that came out is really good.

34 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

No film should expect books to explain the story, if a film doesn't set itself up to tell a story entirely then it should go back and be worked over until it can do its job right. If you are interested in Phasma though I've heard that the Phasma book that came out is really good.

Agreed. A good example is Serenity: great film as a send-off for Firefly fans, but as a stand alone movie, it leaves a lot to be desired.

By "book" do you mean the Marvel Comic, or the novel by Delilah S. Dawson?

1 hour ago, Yakostovian said:

Agreed. A good example is Serenity: great film as a send-off for Firefly fans, but as a stand alone movie, it leaves a lot to be desired.

By "book" do you mean the Marvel Comic, or the novel by Delilah S. Dawson?

I meant the novel, though I've heard both are good. I've yet to read them myself since I've been busy doing other things.

1 hour ago, Animewarsdude said:

No film should expect books to explain the story, if a film doesn't set itself up to tell a story entirely then it should go back and be worked over until it can do its job right.

Exactly.

I would have preferred that TFA did something else to hint at the old guy at the beginning, but otherwise it was not horrible at the lack of world building when you consider it built enough needed to tell the story (the questions the fans have about everything in the galaxy that happened the last 30 years is not the story of TFA).

TLJ, on the other hand.... felt like there was some missing elements there.

On 1/10/2018 at 11:21 AM, Red Castle said:

Not sure how it is linked to what I said.

But yeah, I remember. I also remember that it meant nothing (regarding Rey's parentage) since trailers often put lines out of real context to make fans speculate. After seeing Episode 7, you realise that this line was meant for Kylo. Vader has it, Luke have it, Leia has it, and now her son have it too.

I'm really glad that Rey's parents are some nobodies, and I hope that it was not just a lie by Ben to lure Rey to the dark side. I love that it went back to the Force being one mysterious energy that binds us all and not something genetic that pass on from generation to generation. It does pass on as a receptivity to it, just like Faith, but it is not tied to one particular bloodline. After the failure of the Jedi and then Anakin killing the Emperor to restore balance, I feel like the Force took the control back to maintain it. Snoke was 'created' to balance Luke, and then Rey was 'created' to balance Ben.

Seems pretty certain to me.

A whole third of Luke's "Jedi training" was "the force isn't just for the Jedi", and the ending with the slave boy using it casually on a mop kind of drives home the theme that the force isn't some birthright belonging to a privileged few.

It's also IMO kind of interesting that this is possibly what saved Rey from going to the dark side. When she dove into the dark-plot-hole that called to her with promises of fulfilling her desire to know the truth if she followed it's path it couldn't deliver because she already new the truth and it wasn't what she really wanted, so she left having "found no answer there".

38 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

TLJ, on the other hand.... felt like there was some missing elements there.

Only some missing elements. That's generous!

41 minutes ago, Dice lord said:

Only some missing elements. That's generous!

Kinda like saying this is missing some pieces...