11 minutes ago, Kylemcph240 said:

not that I am excusing what is in my opinion the worst star wars movie out there. But I seem to remember a certain imperial admiral saying something very similar right before an A-wing flew through his bridge

It's almost like Imperial incompetence is a major theme of the Star Wars series. ;D

I mean, thinking back to every time the A-team from the OT survived as brush with the Empire without so much a a hair tussled, it's not like this is news.

-Stormtroopers can't shoot anything for 3 movies until 1 guy clips Leia... and immediately gets shot in the face...
-Tarkin let the the death star plans and Leia leave the death star...
-The death star hyperspaced to the wrong side of yavin giving the rebels time to counter attack
-Ozzel screwed up his approach to the hoth system after almost mistakenly ignoring the outpost completely...
-Vader blew up an bunch of star destroyers by ramming them into asteroids
-Needa lost the falcon, failed to deploy fighter teams to chase it (seriously never understood how this could happen)
-Imperial teams allowed the could city engineers to fix the falcon, then disable it.... instead of thrashing it ((WHY?!))
-Stormtroopers still can't hit their targets... just a reminder...
-Vader let's Luke escape despite being an all powerful space wizard with the ability to see the future and lift heavy objects with his mind...
-The emperor tries to draw the rebellion out while his battle station is incomplete...
-Vader let's Luke and his crew through the shield instead of capturing them or blowing them up...
-The Empire's finest get toppled by stick and stone wielding teddybears...
-The security garrison at the planet side shield generator get fooled by Han playing dress up...
-The emperor orders his ships to hold position to prevent the rebels from escape instead of ordering them to engage and destroy...
-The emperor keeps a bottomless shaft in his throne room...

I'm just saying, if anything, Hux is doing them Empire proud by carrying on a long tradition of being a **** up. lol

1 hour ago, Darth Sanguis said:

-The Empire's finest get toppled by stick and stone wielding teddybears...

Whoa now...those teddybears are vicious man eating killers. Think about it. Those gliders, catapults, and log traps didn't appear overnight. These bastards were preparing to assault the empire for months if not years. They learned how to use their technology, they set up traps specifically designed to destroy Imperial weapons. Why? Because the Imperial forces were a potential food source. Those little teddy bears EAT PEOPLE. They captured Luke, Han, and Chewy and were getting ready to eat them!!!

Look at the trap they constructed. Raw meat 7 foot off the ground. These little furry death bringers are trapping, hunting, and killing some sort of meat eating wild beast that has a mouth at least 7' off the ground. To an Ewok, that's impressive. That's not a trap for Endorian Chickens folks, we're talking giant gorax, devil beasts, or boar wolves. These little hairy murder machines are taking down 9 foot tall giant wolf creatures. These cannibalistic fur-balls were totally going to murder every Imperial soldier on that planet and make stormtrooper stew out of them. Then they were likely to steal a couple imperial shuttles, take over the death star and roam around from planet to planet culling sentient species.

Just wait for the Rian Johnson trilogy where the First Order and the Resistance have to team up to stop the rampaging Ewok menace that the rebels set free at the Battle of Endor....you'll see...you'll see.

Just now, kmanweiss said:

Just wait for the Rian Johnson trilogy where the First Order and the Resistance have to team up to stop the rampaging Ewok menace that the rebels set free at the Battle of Endor....you'll see...you'll see.

10/10 would watch though. lmao

1 hour ago, kmanweiss said:

Just  wait for the Rian Johnson trilogy where the First Or  der and the Resistance have to team up to stop the rampaging Ewok menace that the rebels set free at the Battle of Endor....you'll see...you'll see. 

The sad fact is that no matter what he makes, it won’t be anywhere near as amazing as this... this is gold.

6 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said:

Please read my previous post on this. Why is it so hard  to believe that some people  some people didn't like  the  ram  ming s  cene, re  gardless who execute   d it 

My point was not about the scene but rather people's perceptions towards characters. Since Holdo is a new character, no one will find her actions credible where as in Ackbar, everyone is familiar with him and trust him. Therefore if he have executed the ramming I think there would be less reaction to the ramming maneuver as there would be less people who would question his methods. For many of us, he is the great Admiral of Rebellion for over 30 years.

by the way just, saw that it was your birthday last week,

happy birthday 😊 😊 😊 🎂 🎂

35 minutes ago, LostFleet said:

My point was not about the scene but rather people's perceptions towards characters. Since Holdo is a new character, no one will find her actions credible where as in Ackbar, everyone is familiar with him and trust him. Therefore if he have executed the ramming I think there would be less reaction to the ramming maneuver as there would be less people who would question his methods. For many of us, he is the great Admiral of Rebellion for over 30 years.

by the way just, saw that it was your birthday last week,

happy birthday 😊 😊 😊 🎂 🎂

Thanks for the B-day shout out!

Agree that the reaction would certainly be less hostile, but I still think that a lot of people had issue with the scene overall. I may be in the minority, but I actually liked that Ackbar died unceremoniously during the bridge attack. War is h*** and not every hero gets an epic death scene.

6 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I believe Holdo was technically force sensitive.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/03/28/star-wars-the-last-jedis-admiral-holdo-was-force-sensitive

I have to hold that anything not in the actual movie is inadmissable.

Just now, Tayloraj100 said:

I have to hold that anything not in the actual movie is inadmissable.

*shrug* Dunno if they plan to add it to the canon, I just know they talked about it lol

12 minutes ago, Admiral Calkins said:

42 minutes ago, LostFleet said:

My point was not about the scene but rather people's perceptions towards characters. Since Holdo is a new character, no one will find her actions credible where as in Ackbar, everyone is familiar with him and trust him. Therefore if he have executed the ramming I think there would be less reaction to the ramming maneuver as there would be less people who would question his methods. For many of us, he is the great Admiral of Rebellion for over 30 years.

by the way just, saw that it was your birthday last week,

happy birthday 😊 😊 😊 🎂 🎂

Thanks for the B-day shout out!

Agree that the reaction would certainly be less hostile, but I still think that a lot of people had issue with the scene overall. I may be in the minority, but I actually liked that Ackbar died unceremoniously during the bridge attack. War is h*** and not every hero gets an epic death scene.

I think the larger issue mainly is that there really hasn't been any evolution of the story in the sequel trilogy and this has been one of my main problems with it from the beginning. It basically is just empire vs rebels all over again. It makes the struggles of the rebel alliance and all the main cast largely useless. (I could go on because I have many many issues with the sequel trilogy but i will stop there) If this does become a mechanic in the game. I want there to be a counter to it. Like if you have an interdictor on the table a hyperpace ram cannot be completed while the interdictor is alive.

14 minutes ago, Kylemcph240 said:

I think the larger issue mainly is that there really hasn't been any evolution of the story in the sequel trilogy and this has been one of my main problems with it from the beginning. It basically is just empire vs rebels all over again. It makes the struggles of the rebel alliance and all the main cast largely useless. (I could go on because I have many many issues with the sequel trilogy but i will stop there) If this does become a mechanic in the game. I want there to be a counter to it. Like if you have an interdictor on the table a hyperpace ram cannot be completed while the interdictor is alive.

In the Corellian Conflict, where Hyperspace Retreat is already a thing, Yes. The presence of an enemy ship with the Experimental Retrofit slot does stop a Hyperspace Retreat being declared within distance 5 of it.

17 hours ago, LostFleet said:

My point was not about the scene but rather people's perceptions towards characters. Since Holdo is a new character, no one will find her actions credible where as in Ackbar, everyone is familiar with him and trust him.

Doesn't matter which character's idea it was. The tracking device and the hyperspace ram break the rules as we understand them. A fictional universe can have whatever rules the creator's like such as wearing a ring can turn you invisible at the slow cost of your soul. But the creators don't get to throw the rules out because they write themselves into a corner.

Why did they break the rules and need to do the ram? Because they broke the rules with allowing tracking through hyperspace. Because the heroes couldn't escape with the only thing that really lets a ragtag group go to ground from a galaxy spanning all powerful foe: not being trackable through hyperspace they had to break another rule. And to break those rules they needed other characters to act stupidly by not making use of other rules.

The sin isn't that they gave the heroic death to some new character we didn't much care for the sin is breaking fundamental premises of the fictional universe that keep either side from just instantly winning. They cheated to create the situation and they pulled a rabbit out of a hat to resolve it. And once a rabbit is out of the hat it can't be put back in.

Holdo getting the glory is a rounding error in the sum total of awfulness that was the hyperspace ram.

21 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

Just wait for the Rian Johnson trilogy where the First Order and the Resistance have to team up to stop the rampaging Ewok menace that the rebels set free at the Battle of Endor....you'll see...you'll see.

Well there would at least be a chance I'd pay to see that.