20 minutes ago, Curlycross said:

10th of January?

"Totty is the teenth of Juanwario"

Sorry for the big video.

On 1/6/2018 at 3:59 AM, Elliphino said:

-1 for patience. Not a typo. I mean minus.

While I agree that a month or more isn't an unreasonable time to wait for an update in general, I still think FFG needs to update this community sooner than later in order to address the tangible anxiety about the future of this game.

The anxiety is not stemming purely from lack of official FFG news.

We all see many posts here about people unable to find a community of players and people leaving the game due to lack of available armies or other reasons. We are seeing posts about retailers moving their entire stock to clearance. Many of us came from BattleLore Second edition or other games such as Warhammer Fantasy that we have seen discontinued.

The anxiety is not unfounded and if FFG is committed to supporting this game, they need to find a way to let the player base know, and soon. Already people are starting to leave the game because they are anxious about its future and that could create a downward spiral and self-fulfilling prophecy.

In my own experience my local scene is grim and getting grimmer. In the metro Denver area, only a handful of stores ever stocked the game in the first place. The two biggest stores that did carry it in the region have stopped stocking it. As far as I know, as of now there is only one store in the Denver metro area that plans to continue supporting the game. I know or know of at least a dozen players who picked up the core box, or multiple core boxes, or even some of the first expansions who have already left the game. I know of a couple more who expect to give it up when Legion comes out, i.e., any minute now. I feel like a desperate sales person trying to get people to play this game and I feel like I'm getting no help from FFG.

I've heard, agree with, and even made the same argument that it's early in the game's life and that X-Wing took much longer to grow than people seem to remember now. As far as I know, I ran the first X-Wing tournament in Colorado which was organized before official tournament rules were released. We had 6 people show up to that tournament. By contrast, I have now been in contact with every store in Colorado running store championships and I can say that I'm not expecting 6 people to play in store Championships combined across the state.

And never in the life cycle of X-Wing have I seen a clearance rack of the entire product line, except at stores that were going out of business. The number of people playing and the number of stores supporting it grew slowly, but steadily, with some stores' primary player base became X-Wing.

I don't think any regular visitor to this forum could doubt my enthusiasm for this game or my willingness not just to play, but to take an active role in growing the community. It's entirely possible that I'm part of the problem, but having successfully built communities around X-Wing, Warhammer Fantasy and other games, I kind of doubt it.

So yeah, I think no news is bad news and if FFG wants this game to do something other than be quickly cancelled or limp along for a couple of years as the game that "those two guys play sometimes on Sundays" before a quiet and unnoticed death, they need to dramatically change the way they support this game.

We just had a store championship in Pueblo, CO this past Saturday and we had 5 players attend, only 1 of which was from the Denver area. Were you counting players in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, and possibly Grand Junction when you were expecting less than 6 state-wide or just the Denver metro area?

I'm not saying the player base is huge, but most of us hadn't played in 6 months and after a couple practice games remembered how much we enjoyed the game.

2 hours ago, NeonWolf said:

We just had a store championship in Pueblo, CO this past Saturday and we had 5 players attend, only 1 of which was from the Denver area. Were you counting players in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, and possibly Grand Junction when you were expecting less than 6 state-wide or just the Denver metro area?

I'm not saying the player base is huge, but most of us hadn't played in 6 months and after a couple practice games remembered how much we enjoyed the game.

That's a solid turnout I'd say, I've had recent Armada store champs with less.

4 hours ago, NeonWolf said:

We just had a store championship in Pueblo, CO this past Saturday and we had 5 players attend, only 1 of which was from the Denver area. Were you counting players in Colorado Springs, Pueblo, and possibly Grand Junction when you were expecting less than 6 state-wide or just the Denver metro area?

I'm not saying the player base is huge, but most of us hadn't played in 6 months and after a couple practice games remembered how much we enjoyed the game.

That was me from Denver! I was basing my less than six people in state off of the response to the event invite, which were only 3, and scanning the Pueblo FB page to see who seemed to be playing.

I'm definitely more optimistic after that tournament and had a great time and enjoyed meeting everyone!

I hope we'll get a store championship organized in Denver soon. I'll keep you posted.

I agree, just a check-in would be really welcome, after the reliable weekly updates and articles we had for a while.

If FFG is searching for ideas, well, we don't know what the first Uthuk non-character unit expansion will be, hint-hint. I mean, everybody's expecting it to follow the pattern of filling in the gap from the core/army box to ensure each army has 1 siege, 1 cavalry, 1 melee infantry, and 1 ranged infantry -- meaning Uthuk would be due for the ranged infantry -- and some folks have speculated as to what it'll be... but seeing the concept art, maybe a model, etc. would be welcome.

Or show us the next Latari unit. Or announce a terrain pack to pick up other armies' heroes' terrain, deployment, and objective cards. Or give us a quick article updating our release timetable expectations. Just something to give us something to look forward to and want to drag our stuff to the store to play in anticipation.

FFG often goes a few months of no news or new products, then suddenly you will have two or three add-ons in the pipeline, BIG news drop at a convention and then silence again whilst the world reels from it.

It's not over, don't worry. Armada has only just started getting announcements again. Legion is up coming, X wing is up to date (which is unprecedented) and this is only just begun.

Folks, just enjoy the game for what it is. If FFG's goal is to mimmic traditional tabletop miniature wargames like 40k, AoS, or Bolt Action the community needs to get over the mindset that there has to a constant steady stream of new releases for the game to succeed or not be considered "dead". This game is not X-wing or an CCG/LCG which needs constant meta changing releases to sustain the competitive fires and interest of those types of games. Unfortunately, many people in the gaming community don't see it that way.

As has been mentioned in this thread, Games Workshop has let their 40k or Warhammer fantasy factions go years without updates or new models introduced. Units introduced for Space Marines nearly 30 years ago are still viable today. The fact that RMG received 20+ expansions in less than a year is pretty darn impressive. This game like any game will die based on the lack of sales....period. If the fact that folks aren't buying into the game because they are afraid of the lack of news or future content then the game is doomed anyway. RMG will never be as popular as X-wing, 40k, AoS, or even Armada for various reasons we can debate in another thread. Combined with the fact that the release of Legions is forthcoming and FFG is going to promote the **** out of that game in the next year you are going to see an awful lot of folks at least trying Legions in your game stores in the foreseeable future. If the current RMG community lets this negatively effect them then the discontinuance of this game will be a self fulfilling prophecy. If FFG decides not to release another expansion for RMG beyond what has already been announced doesn't mean you have to stop playing and enjoying this game for what it is. If the game is discontinued there is nothing you can do about that. That is the risk you take in buying any new miniature game or other game line that is unproven. If you are expecting a large RMG community focused on highly competitive tournament play rather than an enjoyable hobby game that you like to paint and play occasionally with family or friends then you might as well sell off your collections now.

Want to know what I think will be one of the best ways to promote this game? Make sure that all the spots at GenCon and Worlds are filled. If people see that these large tournaments are filled to capacity, they'll say, "Hey, people are playing this game - a lot of people! Maybe I should check it out." Of course, that doesn't help the local dude in a community that is already invested in other war games (see the other thread), but it will surely send a message to the higher-ups at FFG that there is interest in this game.

Or just play at much as you can at local game stores. People will see the game and check it out and ask questions.

Profundity and Chimera are now on the boat. Once they get those and Legion out I think we can expect the Latari and Uthuk boxes.

I suspect that the game is "complete" in FFG speak (i.e. cancelled)
SW Legion is going to be taking a ton of PR and logistical resources for them for the next year.
luckily there is a great game where you can use your figs!
check out Kings of War (free rules on Mantic's website) for a clean, tactical rank and file game that allows 100% proxies...in official play!

1 hour ago, Hidatom said:

I suspect that the game is "complete" in FFG speak (i.e. cancelled)
SW Legion is going to be taking a ton of PR and logistical resources for them for the next year.
luckily there is a great game where you can use your figs!
check out Kings of War (free rules on Mantic's website) for a clean, tactical rank and file game that allows 100% proxies...in official play!

I don't play Runewars because I wanted a dumbed down version of Age of Sigmar...

1 hour ago, Hidatom said:

I suspect that the game is "complete" in FFG speak (i.e. cancelled)
SW Legion is going to be taking a ton of PR and logistical resources for them for the next year.
luckily there is a great game where you can use your figs!
check out Kings of War (free rules on Mantic's website) for a clean, tactical rank and file game that allows 100% proxies...in official play!

I would actually find it acceptable to have the game be “complete” once they provide the Wraith, Scouts, Uthuk Archers(?), Uthuk Special, and Latari special and then FFG just does some print runs.

There is is nothing to make me think it is “complete.”

Just seen a Facebook post from my FLGS, saying that they can now preorder the 2018 event packs. You'd think an announcement like that would be worth even just a little update from FFG...

I think FFG is quite likely to keep this around, no matter what Star Wars [fill in the blank] does, simply because they don't have to worry about Di$n€¥ raising the £i₡€n$ing f€€$. And unlike when they had Warhammer [fill in the blank], they don't have to worry about their competition wanting their products back.

10 minutes ago, Xelto said:

I think FFG is quite likely to keep this around, no matter what Star Wars [fill in the blank] does, simply because they don't have to worry about Di$n€¥ raising the £i₡€n$ing f€€$. And unlike when they had Warhammer [fill in the blank], they don't have to worry about their competition wanting their products back.

I love your posts! I'm so glad you've ventured from BGG to join us here!

15th january, still nothing. Hope and positive thinking is useless in a world of Money. Ths only Thing that Counts is selling. Runewars sells weak. thats wjat all Traders say i asked for. Bigest shop in Berlin says not selling at all.

Regarding the way ffg dropped battle lore, smadhing the fans hope for the elven army, and that was before they sold to Asmodee, there is no chance Runewars Miniature game goes beyond the the already anounced boxes. i still hope to see the Pegasus rider here, but this is not real.

To me Games Workshop and Fantasy Flight Games are the same Fantasy traitors, disppointing their customers again and again.

It's doom and gloom posts like that that also hurt a game

2 hours ago, darkjawa103 said:

It's doom and gloom posts like that that also hurt a game

"Well sir, our game is doing amazing well and making lots of profit."
"Excellent."
"However, some strangers on the internet are being negative about it."
"CANCEL DEVELOPMENT AND CAN THE GAME."

I've been screwed over by enough gaming companies to be a cynic. Really, the best attitude to have to games is cautiously negative: expect the games companies to cock things up and ruin what you love, but keep enough hope that you'll be pleasantly surprised. That way you'll only be slightly hurt and relieved as well.

31 minutes ago, Urvogel said:

"Well sir, our game is doing amazing well and making lots of profit."
"Excellent."
"However, some strangers on the internet are being negative about it."
"CANCEL DEVELOPMENT AND CAN THE GAME."

I've been screwed over by enough gaming companies to be a cynic. Really, the best attitude to have to games is cautiously negative: expect the games companies to cock things up and ruin what you love, but keep enough hope that you'll be pleasantly surprised. That way you'll only be slightly hurt and relieved as well.

That's all well and good, but the negative comments keep would-be players from buying in. THAT'S how it's toxic to the game and the community.

"Come on, let's keep a little optimism." (Star Wars quote, I know, but I just had to.)

I did note in reading the Legion article that they're releasing the expansion units simultaneously with the core this time around. I'm not sure whether those are explicitly lessons learned from RWM, or perhaps they were stipulations in licensing contracts or something. I can hope for the former, though, and that the future faction additions we all hope to see included in continued RWM support will also take those lessons and do a bulk release of at least the units contained within the army expansion box alongside the army expansion box itself. I'm sure that's something Uthuk players wish they had, right now, for instance.

1 minute ago, kaffis said:

I did note in reading the Legion article that they're releasing the expansion units simultaneously with the core this time around. I'm not sure whether those are explicitly lessons learned from RWM, or perhaps they were stipulations in licensing contracts or something. I can hope for the former, though, and that the future faction additions we all hope to see included in continued RWM support will also take those lessons and do a bulk release of at least the units contained within the army expansion box alongside the army expansion box itself. I'm sure that's something Uthuk players wish they had, right now, for instance.

At this point, I'm pretty sure their printer is just broken or they had to delay the RW stuff to get Legion out the door. Those uthuk expansions have been printing for 3.5 months now.

40 minutes ago, Willange said:

At this point, I'm pretty sure their printer is just broken or they had to delay the RW stuff to get Legion out the door. Those uthuk expansions have been printing for 3.5 months now.

This is my best educated guess as well. Other products got priority and poor Runewars is on hold.

The stuff will come. I expect a surge around Adepticon. Maybe even some new stuff to show off in their case.

On 1/12/2018 at 10:23 AM, Hidatom said:

I suspect that the game is "complete" in FFG speak (i.e. cancelled)
SW Legion is going to be taking a ton of PR and logistical resources for them for the next year.
luckily there is a great game where you can use your figs!
check out Kings of War (free rules on Mantic's website) for a clean, tactical rank and file game that allows 100% proxies...in official play!

Yeah, I highly doubt this game is cancelled. They have stuff marked as at the printer.

Also, they have a big RPG book set in the same universe that is coming out. I don't expect them to kill off their minis game before they get a chance to see if that book brings in new players.

Not to mention, just 3 weeks ago, the tournament FAQ was updated to provide players the objectives and deployments to carry them through June... Hardly something you'd do for a dead game.