Looking at the current top 4 or 5 posts all of them are about the annoyance of no news and one is even about quitting because things aren't moving along enough and there isn't enough interest in their area. Many have stated people are waiting for full Uthuk or full Latari and that may take awhile.

Obviously I understand they have other things going on and a major new product coming out with the obvious benefit of it having the "Star Wars" title to go with it.

I honestly think a simple, "Hey guys, we haven't forgotten about you, this is a busy time we're working on this or that" would go a long way to let us know we aren't forgotten. Obviously we know that, but there is obvious unrest. We haven't heard from you since November 24th. Next Tuesday that will be a month and a half. That's a long time to go silent.

The whole ultra high communication expectation, which I believe has piggy backed in the advent and popularity of kick-starter, is a bit of a problem, in that it has given customers the need for constant update and affirmation. Kind of a self destructive effect of the instant gratification society.

The big problem is, these posts and mentalities are self feeding, and are best left ignored by the community itself. Generally it creates a negative feedback loop, which is destructive. Patience is the dying virtue of previous generations.

+1 for patience. After all, how many thousands of years did Waiqar and the Uthuk Y'llan wait before revealing themselves again to the rest of Mennara?

Im fine with no news for a while. It either means new stuff is being developed or they are working on other games (which is fine because I play several FFG systems). The gripe I have is when something has an expected Q4 release that comes and goes with no word. I quick little "Release x has been delayed until Q1 next year" would be nice even if it is just so I can get finances in order.

47 minutes ago, Darthain said:

The whole ultra high communication expectation, which I believe has piggy backed in the advent and popularity of kick-starter, is a bit of a problem, in that it has given customers the need for constant update and affirmation. Kind of a self destructive effect of the instant gratification society.

The big problem is, these posts and mentalities are self feeding, and are best left ignored by the community itself. Generally it creates a negative feedback loop, which is destructive. Patience is the dying virtue of previous generations.

Yes we are not in wonderland were everything can be at your finger tips by eating a cake or tart

I don't post nearly as often as most of you, so I have no illusion that what I say will be as impactful. I'm normally someone who tries to stay positive in the light of gaming news, releases, rumors, and forum posts. However, I can't help but sympathize with those who are worried about the lull in development. While I am excited by this game, and have bought TONS of models for it already, there isn't much of a scene where I live, so I can relate. On top of that, I sympathize because I was part of the enormous population that got effed when Warhammer Fantasy Battles blew up. I invested years and a lot of money into it, and then one day it was gone. That kind of thing makes people very guarded.

I like the fact that Fantasy Flight decided to offer a pseudo replacement for rank&file fantasy gamers. There aren't many games out there with the backing of a solid company. As far as I can tell, the ruleset is solid, probably one of the best I've found in scouring for another game post End Times (blowing up WFB) and I've tried a lot of them. But it took me a while to trust in another company after GW effed people in the A. They stopped supporting a $15 million/year revenue game so they could create something else. With FFG releasing so many new games within just this past year alone, I can understand how some people could be worried that one of the games could be left in the dust.

I don't feel like I'm one of the people who are generally negative on the forums (except when it comes to GW). I don't even feel very worried about the lull in production/development with runewars. I've like FFG for over a decade, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, give them a little slack when it comes to a slow down in prod/dev.

But I understand and sympathize, and I think it is healthy to be able to voice concerns. I don't think it's right to spawn negative rants, holding the forums hostage, so to speak, until FFG gives us an update. But I understand. The posts I've read haven't been too negative (though I haven't read nearly that many to know for sure), so I think it should be considered healthy to be able to voice opinions that might not necessarily agree with everyone.

We can all use a little patience in our lives. And I believe we can give FFG a little leeway when it comes to the slowdown in news. They covered Runewars a ton when it was new. It should make sense that they would do the same with another new game they're launching. But I understand the worry, and that voice shouldn't have to be silenced.

1 hour ago, wisetiger7 said:

I don't post nearly as often as most of you, so I have no illusion that what I say will be as impactful. I'm normally someone who tries to stay positive in the light of gaming news, releases, rumors, and forum posts. However, I can't help but sympathize with those who are worried about the lull in development. While I am excited by this game, and have bought TONS of models for it already, there isn't much of a scene where I live, so I can relate. On top of that, I sympathize because I was part of the enormous population that got effed when Warhammer Fantasy Battles blew up. I invested years and a lot of money into it, and then one day it was gone. That kind of thing makes people very guarded.

I like the fact that Fantasy Flight decided to offer a pseudo replacement for rank&file fantasy gamers. There aren't many games out there with the backing of a solid company. As far as I can tell, the ruleset is solid, probably one of the best I've found in scouring for another game post End Times (blowing up WFB) and I've tried a lot of them. But it took me a while to trust in another company after GW effed people in the A. They stopped supporting a $15 million/year revenue game so they could create something else. With FFG releasing so many new games within just this past year alone, I can understand how some people could be worried that one of the games could be left in the dust.

I don't feel like I'm one of the people who are generally negative on the forums (except when it comes to GW). I don't even feel very worried about the lull in production/development with runewars. I've like FFG for over a decade, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, give them a little slack when it comes to a slow down in prod/dev.

But I understand and sympathize, and I think it is healthy to be able to voice concerns. I don't think it's right to spawn negative rants, holding the forums hostage, so to speak, until FFG gives us an update. But I understand. The posts I've read haven't been too negative (though I haven't read nearly that many to know for sure), so I think it should be considered healthy to be able to voice opinions that might not necessarily agree with everyone.

We can all use a little patience in our lives. And I believe we can give FFG a little leeway when it comes to the slowdown in news. They covered Runewars a ton when it was new. It should make sense that they would do the same with another new game they're launching. But I understand the worry, and that voice shouldn't have to be silenced.

Amen! I loved this game immediately after seeing Sorastro paint the Rune Golem forcing me to go look at all the GenCon posts for the game for a few weeks to get amped (even if the scene is only so-so so far). I get that it's only in its first year, but it has a place as one of the better fantasy battlers out here. I want it to keep on keeping on. I don't think it is too much to know it's not going to be orphaned for Legion because Star Wars trumps all only to be left with hundreds of dollars or models in cases. Give us a glimpse of the year ahead FFG: a state of the union if you will. You don't need to give every sexy little surprise away.

I think there will be news. I think the game is doing fine. I get people want it to grow, but I think this game will have a slow burn but will be around for years and years. Reminds me I still have a ton of painting to do

lack of any word has bummed me a little. But my wallet and mountain of painting I have yet to do is ok with the silence

Anyone worried they are working on "other things", I can tell you every active game line at FFG typically has at least one person working on it directly. They might be working on multiple things at once, but a minis game isn't going to get shelved for any amount of time.

My best guess here is that between manufacturing and shipping FFG had to prioritize some projects over others and for whatever reason, Runewars got the short straw. So while it's been developed (Wraiths and scouts got announced months ago, I read somewhere that most things announced are already complete from a design/development stand point), it's been delayed since. Who knows why.

The lack of anything new is probably coupled with that. If there is a hitch somewhere in the process, even if it's just "we can only pay for so many shipping containers at once..." they aren't going to keep announcing things.

We still have a number of releases in the cue even after the delayed products.

community management is a modern necessity that FFG has yet to address in whole.

Things move incredibly quickly these days and tersely worded forum posts lamenting children on our lawns will never roll back the clock on how our tastes and attention spans have changed.

I’m not sure FFG understands appetite the full blown miniatures hobbyist. These games have such a massive start up cost in terms of time and effort required to play them that sustaing a player’s drive to do so requires much more game pornography than usual. Painting galleries, battle reports,

I want to watch More games like were streamed from worlds. The commentary was great.

I still think the first couple of months went better than the horror of Core + Wave 1 of Armada. We didn't even have the actual game until Wave 2 arrived after months of waiting.

-1 for patience. Not a typo. I mean minus.

While I agree that a month or more isn't an unreasonable time to wait for an update in general, I still think FFG needs to update this community sooner than later in order to address the tangible anxiety about the future of this game.

The anxiety is not stemming purely from lack of official FFG news.

We all see many posts here about people unable to find a community of players and people leaving the game due to lack of available armies or other reasons. We are seeing posts about retailers moving their entire stock to clearance. Many of us came from BattleLore Second edition or other games such as Warhammer Fantasy that we have seen discontinued.

The anxiety is not unfounded and if FFG is committed to supporting this game, they need to find a way to let the player base know, and soon. Already people are starting to leave the game because they are anxious about its future and that could create a downward spiral and self-fulfilling prophecy.

In my own experience my local scene is grim and getting grimmer. In the metro Denver area, only a handful of stores ever stocked the game in the first place. The two biggest stores that did carry it in the region have stopped stocking it. As far as I know, as of now there is only one store in the Denver metro area that plans to continue supporting the game. I know or know of at least a dozen players who picked up the core box, or multiple core boxes, or even some of the first expansions who have already left the game. I know of a couple more who expect to give it up when Legion comes out, i.e., any minute now. I feel like a desperate sales person trying to get people to play this game and I feel like I'm getting no help from FFG.

I've heard, agree with, and even made the same argument that it's early in the game's life and that X-Wing took much longer to grow than people seem to remember now. As far as I know, I ran the first X-Wing tournament in Colorado which was organized before official tournament rules were released. We had 6 people show up to that tournament. By contrast, I have now been in contact with every store in Colorado running store championships and I can say that I'm not expecting 6 people to play in store Championships combined across the state.

And never in the life cycle of X-Wing have I seen a clearance rack of the entire product line, except at stores that were going out of business. The number of people playing and the number of stores supporting it grew slowly, but steadily, with some stores' primary player base became X-Wing.

I don't think any regular visitor to this forum could doubt my enthusiasm for this game or my willingness not just to play, but to take an active role in growing the community. It's entirely possible that I'm part of the problem, but having successfully built communities around X-Wing, Warhammer Fantasy and other games, I kind of doubt it.

So yeah, I think no news is bad news and if FFG wants this game to do something other than be quickly cancelled or limp along for a couple of years as the game that "those two guys play sometimes on Sundays" before a quiet and unnoticed death, they need to dramatically change the way they support this game.

As an armada player I’m used to FFG going silent for 4 or more months. The latest wave was announced in August and we didn’t get an update or article till Christmas. Then they expect you to check the Upcoming section for updates on shipping etc. Armada got one Expansion per side last year and might do the same this year.

Also as an older 40k player, I’m used to waiting 3-5 years for updates. GW didn’t spread out releases in the early 2000s it was each factions turn at once. You got new stuff, then it would be years until a new update.

In my store, we have 6 players at the moment plus many who play only at home. In fact most friends play on tables at home and don’t bother going to the store. Of the 15 Armada players I know only 6 show up to store events. We use FB messenger to set up visits and meet at someone’s home as we can have Beer and not worry about store hours etc.

Also the new tournament docs for Runewars show changes effective April 1st for tournaments so the game will be supported this year in organized play. Plus during the broadcast of the world championship matches, FFG said the winner gets to design a new card and the designer dropped a Pegasus mention. Before they pull the plug they’ll release a wave of fantasy creatures with new mechanics to stir interest.

I truly don’t understand the need to have immediate feedback all the time. I also don’t understand the need to have a release for each faction all the time. I take about a month to paint 1 unit so my Daqan army is going to take me 6 months just to get viewable in my opinion.

Even if there's no new content, a little update every once in a while would be nice. Something like "World championships will be happening this year! Here's what to look forward to.", or even a little teaser about an upcoming product. Just a silhouette would keep us busy for weeks. Really just anything that translates as "We're not dead and someone is still working on this, don't worry."

Were is my yeron rider?

After months of being the article top dog, and having all of the releases... it is certainly an adjustment period to go to the slower release....

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at least, I guess so.

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i don’t really know, after all...

... I only play Armada ?

Look at the painting and rules subforum. If there's activity there, the game is still going strong!

Runewars needs the extra communication though. At least in my state, the scene is still very small and fragile. Uthuk and Latari releases helped a bunch to bring in players, so more releases and news would only further bolster our community. Unfortunately all we're getting is total silence...

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 6:28 PM, Qark said:

Im fine with no news for a while. It either means new stuff is being developed or they are working on other games (which is fine because I play several FFG systems). The gripe I have is when something has an expected Q4 release that comes and goes with no word. I quick little "Release x has been delayed until Q1 next year" would be nice even if it is just so I can get finances in order.

A lot of people have said what I posted was to incite negativity or to breed negative reactions. It's not, if you read the post it was directed directly at FFG. I'm not saying we HAVE to get updates all the time, I'm just saying we go every week for 7-8 months and then we go cold turkey after a major release. It would be nice to hear about why the Q4 stuff is being delayed and by how much. I'm not asking for a weekly post. I'm just asking for some update on what they've already talked about as far as a release date. I get they have a huge thing coming out and I understand it's common in the miniatures world for things to just go silent. But because it's common doesn't make it the right thing to do. With how new this IP is I think it's important to at least drop in some kind of information or else you're going to have a lot of people who are either on the fence about getting it or on the fence about keeping it. They're going to jump off the fence and walk away. Do I hope that? Absolutely not, I need more people to dominate with my Uthuk forces. I think it might be different if I wasn't invested in the only faction that doesn't have everything announced and doesn't have the main expansions available.

On ‎1‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 0:24 PM, Urvogel said:

Even if there's no new content, a little update every once in a while would be nice. Something like "World championships will be happening this year! Here's what to look forward to.", or even a little teaser about an upcoming product. Just a silhouette would keep us busy for weeks. Really just anything that translates as "We're not dead and someone is still working on this, don't worry."

This exactly. It could be as simple as World Championships or North America Championships. Something that shows they're still here. It's not much to ask for somewhat of a regular communication even if the talk is just a reminder they're here.

I don't know how much I rely on this source, but the clerk at my local game store mentioned in passing that the next expansions are coming out on the 10th...

16 minutes ago, Curlycross said:

A lot of people have said what I posted was to incite negativity or to breed negative reactions. It's not, if you read the post it was directed directly at FFG. I'm not saying we HAVE to get updates all the time, I'm just saying we go every week for 7-8 months and then we go cold turkey after a major release. It would be nice to hear about why the Q4 stuff is being delayed and by how much. I'm not asking for a weekly post. I'm just asking for some update on what they've already talked about as far as a release date. I get they have a huge thing coming out and I understand it's common in the miniatures world for things to just go silent. But because it's common doesn't make it the right thing to do. With how new this IP is I think it's important to at least drop in some kind of information or else you're going to have a lot of people who are either on the fence about getting it or on the fence about keeping it. They're going to jump off the fence and walk away. Do I hope that? Absolutely not, I need more people to dominate with my Uthuk forces. I think it might be different if I wasn't invested in the only faction that doesn't have everything announced and doesn't have the main expansions available.

Exactly. It's not about being negative or positive. Major announcements and major releases have always had a positive impact on the community in my area. We advocate that we need more announcements because we want the game to continue to grow and do well. Yes, it's early and yes the game is growing, but for it to continue to grow and do well (especially in the face of Legion-competition) the game needs to being growing to new heights now, not just falling in the 3-4 month rhythm Armada is in. RW will die with an Armada pace since it doesn't have the benefit of being star wars.

EDIT: To be clear, the 3-4 month cadence I refer to with armada is in major batches of articles. The actual releases tend to be a lot slower than that. I would say RW needs at least 1 article a month and needs releases every 2 months in the long-run. I'm not saying MAJOR releases every 2 months, but some faction should be getting something around every 2 months on average. They could also do larger batches of stuff for all factions every 4-6 months, and I'd be fine with that.

2 minutes ago, Willange said:

Exactly. It's not about being negative or positive. Major announcements and major releases have always had a positive impact on the community in my area. We advocate that we need more announcements because we want the game to continue to grow and do well. Yes, it's early and yes the game is growing, but for it to continue to grow and do well (especially in the face of Legion-competition) the game needs to being growing to new heights now, not just falling in the 3-4 month rhythm Armada is in. RW will die with an Armada pace since it doesn't have the benefit of being star wars.

or many years old.

4 minutes ago, Hepitude said:

I don't know how much I rely on this source, but the clerk at my local game store mentioned in passing that the next expansions are coming out on the 10th...

10th of January? That isn't possible I would say, only because we would have at least an updated what's upcoming page; but here's hoping they just haven't updated that site.