Hi,

If I want to play a Lightsaber (3 cost) on a Padawan (without any upgrades) and use Destiny to do it, do I remove a combined value of 2 or 3?

I know the FAQ says:

DESTINY (101)
•“Before” effects that decrease the cost of a card cannot
be used in combination with Destiny to play a card with a
higher value.

But as far as I can tell the Padawan ability is an "ongoing" ability and not a "before" ability which is a "triggered" ability.

The cards read:

Padawan: While this character does not have an upgrade, the cost to attach a weapon to it is decreased by 1.

Destiny: Remove any number of your Blue dice. Play a card from your hand for free that costs equal to or less than the combined value of the Blue dice you just removed.

Ongoing effects like the Padawan still seem to work. Triggered effects do not. Rather confusing, but it is what it is.

In this case I would do exactly what the card says. Destiny is not the card that decreases cost, it exchanges dice for a card that can be played for free. I think they forgot about Padawn in FAQ but that's my opinion only.

10 minutes ago, NetCop said:

In this case I would do exactly what the card says. Destiny is not the card that decreases cost, it exchanges dice for a card that can be played for free. I think they forgot about Padawn in FAQ but that's my opinion only.

And in your opinion, what does the card instruct me to do?

Destiny tells me to remove a combined value equal to the cost of a dice. Padawan tells me that the cost of the dice is one less than the printed cost if the padawan is the target. So do I take into account that the Padawan is the target when I play Destiny or not?

I agree that I think they forgot about Padawan in the FAQ but I don't think we can automatically assume that ongoing abilities don't apply. The FAQ only tells us we can't use triggered abilities in combination with Destiny and there's a big difference between triggered and ongoing abilities.

Why they excluded "before" effects that decrease the cost in FAQ for Destiny?

I think the key is " Play a card from your hand for free " so, there is no cost in the moment you play the card and that's why they excluded "before" abilities. So, first you remove your dice, then you play a card for free and Padawan does noting because card is already for free (or for 0). That's my way of thinking about Destiny card.

Yes, they forgot about ongoing abilities. Btw, Padawan is not the only case here, there is Weapons Factory Alpha too.

4 hours ago, NetCop said:

Yes, they forgot about ongoing abilities. Btw, Padawan is not the only case here, there is Weapons Factory Alpha too.

And K-2SO where such a ruling would be to the player's advantage.

Yes, it would work this way. There is term FREE in RR - When something is played or resolved for free, a player does not pay any cost for the card or die.

I think , they excluded before abilities from 'Destiny' card because they wanted us to remove dice with value printed on the card, not less (or more) but they forgot that we have similar ongoing abilities too.

Example:

Your action is - play a card 'Destiny' - cost 0. You resolve it, first you remove dice of value i.e 3, then you can play an upgrade card that has cost 3 or less for free to any character you want. Since it's played for free now, Padawan's or K-2's abilities doesn't matter. That's why 'It Binds all Things' doesn't work because card is already played for free.

8 hours ago, NetCop said:

I think , they excluded before abilities from 'Destiny' card because they wanted us to remove dice with value printed on the card, not less (or more) but they forgot that we have similar ongoing abilities too.

The problem with this is that the wording ended up more complex than what you're suggesting they wanted to do. If they wanted to make it everything, it's a simpler wording - "The cost of the card being played cannot be modified." or "Destiny refers only to the printed cost".

Instead we get something that explicitly calls out only a certain type of ability. I think it's a stretch to say they meant for it to be all abilities, but then threw in an unnecessary reference to only a specific type of ability and completely forgot about every other ability in the process.

For the reasoning, I think it's a timing issue - an ongoing ability is in effect at all times. So from the moment you pick that Lightsaber to play on the Padawan, it costs 2 instead of 3. But triggered abilities - even 'before' ones - don't go off until you play it, at which point you're past the "Select a card costing X..." part.

But who knows? Timing is a little loose in Destiny, and FFG rarely gives us the nitty-gritty like this.

Get rid of a value of 2 with destiny, since the Saber costs 2, after padawan's reduction.

same thing with K2SO, get rid of a value of 5