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Posted at 2018-01-09 02:54:30+00:00

I do clearly see that there is a face down commander card, but it dose say Two new commanders-one rebel one Imperial. If there is a second commander It will be FFGs version of Thrawn as in the Thrawn article it talked about FFG making Thrawn already, so the Empire would only be getting one new commander just two variations of one commander, this is just speculation because I can see both sides of the argument, but we will just have to see when this expiation arrives.

Posted at 2018-01-09 17:59:40+00:00

I am not sure why they’d sneak in a second, surprise and unacknowledged Commander upgrade.

I haven’t heard of, in either X-wing or Armada, a time where the photo spread of the cards was so misleading. Not saying it hasn’t happened, just saying I don’t recall such a thing. And I have been a careful observer of every release for both games.

I truly think they play with us, in a very careful and deliberate way, as to which cards we see/read and which cards we can only see/read part of and which cards are face down.

I have heard of mistakes in photo spreads that were corrected, I think. I suspect this will be new ground either way: a surprise Commander or a new type of “typo”.

It’s things like this that keep the forums busy.

Posted at 2018-01-09 22:38:02+00:00

Upon further review:

I have analyzed the photo spreads and contents of the non-flotilla ship expansions.

Here are my results.

The CR90, Nebulon-B, and Raider all come with 8 upgrade cards, but their spread pictures show just 3; two face up, 1 face-down. I am ignoring these ships.

Of the remaining 12 expansions, there are three errors wherein a photo spread shows the incorrect card back.

Wave 1.

VSD shows a face-down Weapons Team type upgrade card, and the actual card is the Commander type upgrade Admiral Motti.

Wave 2.

Home One also shows a face-down Weapons Team, but the real upgrade card is the Officer type upgrade Support Officer.

ISD also shows a face-down Weapons Team, when the real included ipgrade is the Officer type Captain Needa.

NOTABLE: some expansions don’t bother showing duplicate upgrades (Hammerhead and Light Carrier).

FFG success rate in error-free photo spread previews (by expansion, disregarding omitted duplicates and the three card ships above): 75% (3 single card errors in 12 full expansion shots).

FFG success rate on a total card basis: 97.8% (3 single card errors in 136 pictured upgrade cards).

The last spread error occurred in Wave 2.

Either way, the odds favor a second Commander in the Chimaera expansion.

Posted at 2018-01-09 22:42:12+00:00

If Piett shows up in this thing I'm going to have to hold back tears.

Not tears of joy. Tears of a dude who now might have to admit that perhaps, the Executor simply isn't coming.

Posted at 2018-01-09 22:46:25+00:00

Rumor is there is no second commander, it's just a photo spread error. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Posted at 2018-01-09 22:51:57+00:00

1 minute ago, Snipafist said:

Rumor is there is no second commander, it's just a photo spread error. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Could be.

An error of that type is very rare, historically, and hasn’t happened since Nov. 2015.

Four waves ago.

Posted at 2018-01-09 22:52:06+00:00

3 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

Rumor is there is no second commander, it's just a photo spread error. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Posted at 2018-01-09 23:04:44+00:00

20 minutes ago, evanger said:

FFG success rate in error-free photo spread previews (by expansion, disregarding omitted duplicates and the three card ships above): 75% (3 single card errors in 12 full expansion shots).

So disregarding the errors.... no back up, how many errors? No spin, how many errors? Nearer 50%

Great reason for the mothers meeting here.

20 minutes ago, evanger said:

FFG success rate on a total card basis: 97.8% (3 single card errors in 136 pictured upgrade cards).

Great stat when looking at the only card which could be an error.....

Lies, **** lies and statistics

20 minutes ago, evanger said:

Either way, the odds favor a second Commander in the Chimaera expansion.

No. No they dont. I appreciate what you did, thats just the wrong conclusion if you look at it objectively.

I agree the chances of an error on any single card are low.

However

What are the odds of an error in any given wave?

What are the odds of an error on a face up card?

What are the odds of an error on an already spoiled card?

What then is the odds of an error on a face down unspoiled card?

Posted at 2018-01-10 00:07:44+00:00

59 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

No. No they dont. I appreciate what you did, thats just the wrong conclusion if you look at it objectively.

Don't underestimate the human brain's capacity to consider any new information as confirmation of already-held beliefs.

When he came back with his analysis, I thought I might read: "Okay, so there seem to have been a few errors in the past. I guess this might also be an error, and we possibly won't get another commander." Instead, he doubles down.

Posted at 2018-01-10 00:08:57+00:00

1 hour ago, Ginkapo said:

No. No they dont. I appreciate what you did, thats just the wrong conclusion if you look at it objectively.

I agree the chances of an error on any single card are low.

However

What are the odds of an error in any given wave?

What are the odds of an error on a face up card?

What are the odds of an error on an already spoiled card?

What then is the odds of an error on a face down unspoiled card?

What are the odds of an error on a face down unspoiled card that conflicts with the text-- different text, not copy-pasted--in three separate articles?

Posted at 2018-01-10 00:16:50+00:00

I thought we had Admiral Goran namedropped very recently. (For reference, he's the Imperial Commander over Scarif: "Reverse Engines! Full Power!"), though that may have turned out to be Taskmaster Grint. As much as I love Rogue One, and the treatment the Raddus gives that entire battle in the new wave, I don't think Goran would be all that great to have. Let him be an Officer, that better befits him.

And you people better believe I'd murder to make that unspoiled Commander be Pellaeon.

Edit: Right, Instructor Goran is an officer, check (didn't quite see him there). You have no excuses, FFG, give us Pellaeon!

Edited January 10, 2018 by DampfGecko

Posted at 2018-01-10 01:16:52+00:00

1 hour ago, Ardaedhel said:

What are the odds of an error on a face down unspoiled card that conflicts with the text-- different text, not copy-pasted--in three separate articles?

"Ok, the saucer people, in conjunction with the reverse vampires and the Rand corporation...."

Posted at 2018-01-10 01:25:28+00:00

1 hour ago, DampfGecko said:

I thought we had Admiral Goran namedropped very recently. (For reference, he's the Imperial Commander over Scarif: "Reverse Engines! Full Power!"), though that may have turned out to be Taskmaster Grint. As much as I love Rogue One, and the treatment the Raddus gives that entire battle in the new wave, I don't think Goran would be all that great to have. Let him be an Officer, that better befits him.

And you people better believe I'd murder to make that unspoiled Commander be Pellaeon.

Edit: Right, Instructor Goran is an officer, check (didn't quite see him there). You have no excuses, FFG, give us Pellaeon!

Except Pellaeon is EU, and they've never released an EU commander. Pellaeon is awesome, but there's absolutely no way we'll get him before Piett, or even Admiral Versio.

Instructor Goran (As seen in Rebels)

Admiral Gor in (As seen over Scarif)

Edited January 10, 2018 by The Jabbawookie

Posted at 2018-01-10 01:37:36+00:00

11 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Except Pellaeon is EU, and they've never released an EU commander. Pellaeon is awesome, but there's absolutely no way we'll get him before Piett, or even Admiral Versio.

Instructor Goran (As seen in Rebels)

Admiral Gor in (As seen over Scarif)

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Garm was EU when he was released. May still be in fact.

Posted at 2018-01-10 01:56:28+00:00

18 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Garm was EU when he was released. May still be in fact.

That's why he's so OP. No one restricted his power when he got ported over, and we're all made to suffer for it.

Posted at 2018-01-10 01:59:12+00:00

20 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Garm was EU when he was released. May still be in fact.

I stand corrected; Garm is non-canon. Just like the Rebel scum to defy conventions.

Posted at 2018-01-10 02:22:00+00:00

21 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I stand corrected; Garm is non-canon. Just like the Rebel scum to defy conventions.

Depending on the release date of ”Tarkin”, screed might have been EU too at his release, before being Re-canonized there.

Posted at 2018-01-10 02:37:02+00:00

10 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Depending on the release date of ”Tarkin”, screed might have been EU too at his release, before being Re-canonized there.

Nov. 4th, 2014. So he’s fine.

Posted at 2018-01-10 02:54:32+00:00

1 hour ago, geek19 said:

"Ok, the saucer people, in conjunction with the reverse vampires and the Rand corporation...."

do reverse vampires give people their blood?

Posted at 2018-01-10 10:29:02+00:00

What about Director Orson Krennic ? With a somewhat-boost to Experimental-retrofit as he is Director of Advanced Weapons Research.

Posted at 2018-01-10 10:56:18+00:00

24 minutes ago, Ritalbringer said:

What about Director Orson Krennic ? With a somewhat-boost to Experimental-retrofit as he is Director of Advanced Weapons Research.

I think that would be an awesome and fitting addition. The Experimentals do need a boost, I think, and Krennic would be a good way to buff them.

But I think @Ardaedhel has convinced me that we're dealing with a mistaken image and that Thrawn is the only new commander we'll be getting in this expansion.