35 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

I believe he was in the fleet at the battle of endor and watched it fall apart after the emp fell. he talks about how the imps vastly outnumbered the rebels and it should have been a clean sweep even with the lost of the SD2 but the will of the imps broke and it caused them to route. As such, yes, i don't believe he met Thrawn before that battle.

I recall a paragraph were Pallaeon states he was contacted/found by Thrawn, some time after Endor. Empire was loosing system after system and suddenly Thrawn showed up.

8 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

If there's going to be a sub-commander to Thrawn, it should be Palleon just as an acknowledgement of his longstanding and influential role in the universe.

As I recall, Palleon is possibly the first POV character ever introduced in the Star Wars novels that wasn't featured in the films. He's the first Imperial POV character to ever appear in the novels aside from Darth Vader. He managed to be a recurring Imperial character all the way through to at least the Yuuzhan Vong novels. He is the first time we ever see an Imperial character who isn't "cackling madman evil" and sadly remained one of the few to maintain that status throughout the EU, to my knowledge.

While Rebels is the current trending Star Wars, if I were FFG and knew that much of the success for the Star Wars license is owed to Thrawn and Palleon, I'd make a push to get both featured in the game as a pair of classic heroes that are closely linked in the minds of older fans. If new characters have been added to Thrawn's story, they can be added in future expansions.

I totally agree. Especially in "Specter of the Past" and "Vision of the Future" (The Hand Of Thrawn books), Pellaeon is shown to be an interesting and intelligent character who is able to move on from just being the foil to Thrawn. It would be a shame to never have him appear in game (and it bugs me that he doesn't make it into the movies).

In many ways, I'm beginning to wish we had gotten movies of Timothy Zahn's novels and the X-Wing series as a live-action TV show instead of these new somewhat innovative but still frustrating new canon movies.

I'll chime in here for a couple things. One, Pellaeon was the one to order the retreat at Endor, a role I believe Sloane has in the new universe. Second, he represents to me personally an element of the Expanded Universe I appreciated and have not seen replicated in the newer works, where he is an honorable or even later in life "good" man wearing the "wrong" uniform. A former Judicial Services officer and Clone Wars veteran, Captain Pellaeon's stint as Flag Captain for Thrawn probably gave him the breadth of mind he needed for his actions during the Caamasi Document Crisis, where several Moffs and other unsavory characters in the Imperial Remnant tried to engineer his death, a civil war in the New Republic and an opportunity for the Remnant to resume offensive operations after the disastrous Battle of Celanon in 17 ABY and the Second Battle of Champala and the Battle of Anx Minor, both in 19 ABY. Instead of acceding to the plotters, Pellaeon faked his death and reassumed complete political control of the Remnant after exposing the fakes, allowing him to sign a peace treaty with the New Republic. He did later serve in both the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and the Second Galactic Civil War, assassinated during the latter for refusing to turn his turbolasers on fleeing refugees. If that isn't an honorable death, I don't know what is. All of that combines to create a very different brand of antagonist than Kylo Ren or General Hux, one I would much prefer to see return to cinema and Star Wars in particular. (Please save that philosophical discussion of the nature of evil for another time.)

Were Pellaeon (note that that is not how I spell my username) to be released in Armada, I'd prefer either an officer, reflecting his singular talent as a Flag Captain for other Admirals, or an Admiral focused on large scale combat. If I were really greedy, I'd want an ability that reflects his penchant for durable plans using a variety of Star Destroyers, and were I really greedy I'd want him released with the Turbulent class, but that is a discussion for another time.

Or they could release him with the Pellaon Class

On 1/5/2018 at 11:52 AM, Ginkapo said:

@GiledPallaeon is a fool* deserving of no such high rank, ion cannon slot at best.

*Note: Consider Giled's reaction before reporting my post, I am not suggesting that it is ok to insult people willy nilly, or that he is actually a fool.

Reported

12 minutes ago, Jabby said:

Or they could release him with the Pellaon Class

I mean, I'd be down for the MC140 too, it's a cool-looking ship, but he never served on one.

Here's a thought for you guys, then. Where do you see Pelleon in relation to the First Order?

I was a little surprised to see Pelleon absent from the Thrawn book, but at the same time I can appreciate not wanting to re-tread old ground entirely. After all, it would be nice to see Thrawn live through his encounters with the Rebel alliance and perhaps return to the stage later instead of being killed by Rukh as in legends.

2 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Here's a thought for you guys, then. Where do you see Pelleon in relation to the First Order?

I was a little surprised to see Pelleon absent from the Thrawn book, but at the same time I can appreciate not wanting to re-tread old ground entirely. After all, it would be nice to see Thrawn live through his encounters with the Rebel alliance and perhaps return to the stage later instead of being killed by Rukh as in legends.

Personally, I don’t believe in the First Order. Or Star Wars: Rebels.

I, too, was pleased to read the new “Thrawn” and see that, as far as I could tell, nothing Zahn wrote now contradicts what Zahn wrote then. Not yet, anyway.

I suppose all bets are off for Zahn’s next Disney-Thrawn book.

2 hours ago, Norsehound said:

Here's a thought for you guys, then. Where do you see Pelleon in relation to the First Order?

I could see him playing a prominent role in the Imperial Remnant instead of the First Order. Maybe he's the man responsible for the Remnant honoring their treaty with the New Republic.

I'll say it again: there is no second commander in the Chimaera.

41 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

I'll say it again: there is no second commander in the Chimaera.

Do you like your ISD butter side up, or butter side down?

5 minutes ago, Noosh said:

Do you like your ISD butter side up, or butter side down?

I prefer an Avenger bowl with a nice squid chowder, myself.

Obviously it's Joruus C'Baoth.

To be clear, I think that would be stuupid.

1 minute ago, Armada Jim said:

Obviously it's Joruus C'Baoth.

To be clear, I think that would be stuupid.

Ugh I'm going to need a couple tree lizards to deal with these jedi.

3 minutes ago, Armada Jim said:

Obviously it's Joruus C'Baoth.

To be clear, I think that would be stuupid.

Here, I got you this.

https://armadashipyards.com/2015/09/28/joruus-cbaoth/

3 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

I'll say it again: there is no second commander in the Chimaera.

So who do you think the second commander is going to be?

3 hours ago, Ardaedhel said:

I'll say it again: there is no second commander in the Chimaera.

Why would you say this?

FFG is always playing games with which cards are revealed (or not) in the photo spreads and preview articles.

Which are shown face up, which are face down, which are obscured, etc. They love it. We love it.

I can’t recall a time they “lied” in this regard.

That said, there is clearly a face-down Commander upgrade card beneath Thrawn, right?

I dare say it would be a new phenomenon for FFG to tease that in the photo if it weren’t a Commander upgrade card.

2 minutes ago, evanger said:

Why would you say this?

Because...

On 9/3/2017 at 11:35 AM, Ardaedhel said:

Huh? You know Thrawn is the imperial commander right? And that there is only one for each faction?

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Armada Wave VII provides two new commanders—one Rebel and one Imperial

On 9/3/2017 at 0:17 PM, Ardaedhel said:

There has never been an Armada expansion with more than one Commander/side. The only one with more than one Commander is the core set, and that has one Imperial and one Rebel.

There is no mention of a second commander.

The Imperials are not short a commander with respect to the Rebels, nor is there any other particular impetus that would suggest they need an extra one.

<snip>

I mean, I'm willing to admit there is a possibility I'm wrong. But it's so fantastically unlikely that I'm also willing to eat an ISD if I am.

On 9/3/2017 at 1:22 PM, Ardaedhel said:

There 100% is a misprint in the article, because it contradicts itself. It says there are

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two new commanders—one Rebel and one Imperial

and it shows a face down commander card. Neither is more likely to be wrong than the other because the marketing department made both.

One is in keeping with convention. The other would be a departure from it.

One would involve the marketing team failing to highlight or even mention a major departure from convention. The other would not.

One would involve giving the Imps a second commander that will be completely overshadowed by the arrival of the most-anticipated commander in the game that has been speculated about since release , because... reasons?

One possibility is reasonable. The other is not.

I'm not even going to start looking up recipes for Star Destroyer Stew because I won't have to make it.

:)

If it's anyone(which I doubt, but not to the level as some people @Ardaedhel ) I think Pellaeon is prob the best bet just because of his association with Thrawn. If there was going to be a double commander pack that was going to come out it would certainly be appropriate for them to release it alongside the first repaint they've done in Armada, giving it a bit more uniqueness. Again, I think the best bet is just a mess up

Als, check the amount of upgrades they say there is and count the cards in spread, if it were another commander the number would be wrong

I know article text has had errors before.

Serious question:

Have the carefully crafted photo shoots ever been incorrect?

13 minutes ago, Armada Jim said:

stuupid

2 minutes ago, evanger said:

I know article text has had errors before.

Serious question:

Have the carefully crafted photo shoots ever been incorrect?

Not sure about the spreads, but they got the squadrons wrong in the picture of JJ's fleet here , and I think Dras has a copy of the picture where they jacked up the illustration of Foresight defending against an ISD front arc.

Also keep in mind that those are renders, not photos. So this mistake is as easy to make as grabbing the wrong graphic for the texture on that card. And there are no slots that are easier to mix up than commander/officer, both in nomenclature and icon images.

Ok, in the photo spread I count 18 upgrade cards (including the face-down Commander).

In the product deatil page, I read:

” Grand Admiral Thrawn arrives to the battles of Star Wars ™: Armada in the Chimaera Expansion Pack. Along with the chance to command your fleet with this brilliant, blue-skinned Chiss tactician, the Chimaera Expansion Pack introduces an Imperial Star Destroyer adorned with a distinctive chimaera design, two Mandalorian Gauntlet squadrons, six ship cards, and seventeen other upgrades.”

17 *other* upgrade cards, besides Thrawn.

Seems like second Commander is proven.

30 minutes ago, evanger said:

Ok, in the photo spread I count 18 upgrade cards (including the face-down Commander).

In the product deatil page, I read:

” Grand Admiral Thrawn arrives to the battles of Star Wars ™: Armada in the Chimaera Expansion Pack. Along with the chance to command your fleet with this brilliant, blue-skinned Chiss tactician, the Chimaera Expansion Pack introduces an Imperial Star Destroyer adorned with a distinctive chimaera design, two Mandalorian Gauntlet squadrons, six ship cards, and seventeen other upgrades.”

17 *other* upgrade cards, besides Thrawn.

Seems like second Commander is proven.

All this does is confirm that there is a card there. It does nothing to discount the possibility that that card's type is a mistake. Which is the most likely explanation. That spread is literally the only indication that this expansion makes a major departure from the previous standard in including two commanders in one expansion*, whereas there are a few different occasions in which the text indicates that Thrawn is the Imperial commander in the expansion.

Chimaera article:

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We’ve already looked at this expansion’s new commander : Grand Admiral Thrawn himself...

Thrawn article:

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The Imperials, meanwhile, gain the legendary, blue-skinned tactician Grand Admiral Thrawn .

Announcement article:

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Armada Wave VII provides two new commanders—one Rebel and one Imperial

We'll see in a month or two.

*note I said "expansion", not "wave"