2 minutes ago, ccjacks3 said:Is it worth not having the title on Han?
I mostly murdered people with PS11, or boosted out of arc for the shots.
And most often the people who got the shots on Han didn't have focus or TL because of black one, so they relied on natural dices.
http://lists.starwarsclubhouse.com/get_tourney_details?tourney_id=3878
there is the tourney if anyone is interested.
1 hour ago, NLJUNGBERG said:Han Solo — YT-1300 46
Veteran Instincts 1
Gunner 5
Hotshot Co-pilot 4
Engine Upgrade 4
Ship Total: 60
Poe Dameron (PS9) — T-70 X-Wing 33
Veteran Instincts 1
Flight-Assist Astromech 1
Advanced Optics 2
Autothrusters 2
Black One 1
Ship Total: 40
I played this in a 60 man regionals this weekend and went 5-1, only losing to Kanan/Fenn/Ezra.
I works perfectly against all these Imp aces, Long range scanner+Harpoon missiles, and most other lists.
I love it, and would recommend it.
Did you miss Regen on Poe? How’d you do in the cut?
Just now, Tbetts94 said:Did you miss Regen on Poe? How’d you do in the cut?
Han died more often then Poe.
with PS11+FFA you find yourself more often then not with the ability to either arc dodge or get that juicy range 1 shot.
Lets not talk about the cut, the list would have worked great against Kath/Karsabi/Zeta leader if i hadnt bumped poe Into Han not being able to trigger Black one, so my nerves failed me.
Did you miss countermeasures on the falcon? Would that have helped shave a TL or 2 and therefore maybe saved Han a few points of damage? Or was the boost too valuable?
19 minutes ago, Rolotamasi said:Did you miss countermeasures on the falcon? Would that have helped shave a TL or 2 and therefore maybe saved Han a few points of damage? Or was the boost too valuable?
The boost was way too valuable, being able to reposition for next turn, dodge arc or get into range one to disable harpoons the times i weren't able to strip TL's from the ordonance carriers.
The list dont follow the same principles of ordniary "Fat Han", but relies on stripping the focus from a ship, trigging gunner and then enabling Poe shooting at the same target with full mods and the defending ship rolling natural evades.
in 4 of my 7 games I killed an enemy ship turn 2.
Hey @NLJUNGBERG This is a super cool list that leverages Poe in a way I've been thinking about, but didn't ever think to drop to FAA as droid.
Well done on taking a non-standard list and doing well with it... great thinking behind the Han build.
Can you tell us what your matchups were like? Did you come across the dreaded bogeyman in NymRanda in your run in to cut?
The game has become faster, wich lessens the effects of regen(depends on matchup ofc). Most lists shoot several harpoons in one target (wich makes one evade token less valuble).
Hotshot makes the same thing as C-3po statisticly more or less, reducing 1 hit, but it also increases your dmg in combination with gunner.
Rangecontroll/arcdodging is vital vs ordanance, making largebase with EU strong over all.
So making an agile furywarrior of Han, instead of a sturdy tank in short.
The predicament people with ps11 ends up with vs this list is also Does Han take my focustokens first or do I loose my targetlocks to Poe.
Also it can R1 and dodge the ordanance compared to Dash R2-3.
So we wil most likley see more Falcons over all in the near future.
Nljungberg also put a TON of effort in to flying the list. 35ish Vassall games over a week or something in addition to regular flying.
Work pays off
1 hour ago, Dreadai said:Hey @NLJUNGBERG This is a super cool list that leverages Poe in a way I've been thinking about, but didn't ever think to drop to FAA as droid.
Well done on taking a non-standard list and doing well with it... great thinking behind the Han build.
Can you tell us what your matchups were like? Did you come across the dreaded bogeyman in NymRanda in your run in to cut?
There were 3 nymranda in the tourney, all 3 made it to topcut.
I faced 2 imp aces, one Kanan/Fenn/Ezra (my loss), one mirror (different build overall), bossk Nym, and lastly Chiraneu+QD.
No game took longer than 45 minutes, the shortest 14,5 minutes.
I almost Always lost half han (30 pts).
But i ranked third in main event with almost 900 MoV.
I think this is the most interesting version of the list I've seen so far.
Still deciding on this versus the Fenn/Lowhrick/Corran or Poe thing, but in theory I think this is better and more fun to fly. Just need to find time to get more practice in.
Only thing is not having the BB8 ability to dodge around bombs, did you miss that?
Edited by ayedubbleyoo3 minutes ago, ayedubbleyoo said:I think this is the most interesting version of the list I've seen so far.
Still deciding on this versus the Fenn/Lowhrick/Corran or Poe thing, but in theory I think this is better and more fun to fly. Just need to find time to get more practice in.
Only thing is not having the BB8 ability to dodge around bombs, did you miss that?
No, because if you can etimate where the enemy ships would fly, you can almost always plan a manouver where FFA would trigger, or if that fails you always have the option to do the boost and still have focus thanks to Advanced optics.
I get that people get nervous with Flight assist astromech, but if you are comfortable with the list, and have a solid plan in deployment, you now what to do the first 3 rounds, more often then not ( for me ) netting a killed ship the first rounds.
There are not that many ships, except large base, that survives 3 rounds of Han+Poe shooting at you when you most often dont have a focus to defend with from atleast Poe.
I really like how it's competitive, it's thematic and it involves arc-dodging and high PS. Very much a fun list that can also do well. I just need a lot of practice!
Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)
Guidance Chips (0)
Black One (1)
Han Solo (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Rey (2)
"Chopper" (0)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Guidance Chips (0)
Total: 100
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I heard Harpoons are hot right now?
3 hours ago, NLJUNGBERG said:No, because if you can etimate where the enemy ships would fly, you can almost always plan a manouver where FFA would trigger, or if that fails you always have the option to do the boost and still have focus thanks to Advanced optics.
I get that people get nervous with Flight assist astromech, but if you are comfortable with the list, and have a solid plan in deployment, you now what to do the first 3 rounds, more often then not ( for me ) netting a killed ship the first rounds.
There are not that many ships, except large base, that survives 3 rounds of Han+Poe shooting at you when you most often dont have a focus to defend with from atleast Poe.
Do you feel PS11 on Poe is important? I'm really good with BB-8 Poe and would love to keep that version of him, but it comes in a point too high.
1 minute ago, gennataos said:Do you feel PS11 on Poe is important? I'm really good with BB-8 Poe and would love to keep that version of him, but it comes in a point too high.
The main idea of this list is to make sure Poe flies last, or shoots first against all other ships, either removing the TL or getting first shots.
FFA is highly underrated, since if you fly last and don't have any ship in arc and can do a free boost or barrel roll to get into arc! With a free barrel roll, and a boost action ( since you have advanced optics on Poe you most often dont need get a new one), you will almost always have a shot one someone!
3 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)
Guidance Chips (0)
Black One (1)Han Solo (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Harpoon Missiles (4)
Rey (2)
"Chopper" (0)
Scavenger Crane (2)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Guidance Chips (0)Total: 100
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I heard Harpoons are hot right now?
Han is a kiting ship so Munitions is usually a bad call on him since he’ll be turned the other way. Especially since it’s at the detriment of Engine Upgrade.
7 minutes ago, NLJUNGBERG said:The main idea of this list is to make sure Poe flies last, or shoots first against all other ships, either removing the TL or getting first shots.
FFA is highly underrated, since if you fly last and don't have any ship in arc and can do a free boost or barrel roll to get into arc! With a free barrel roll, and a boost action ( since you have advanced optics on Poe you most often dont need get a new one), you will almost always have a shot one someone!
I don't disagree about FAA, but I'm pretty used to BB-8. Since Han is usually stripping focus with HSCP, isn't Poe usually shooting after him?
2 minutes ago, gennataos said:I don't disagree about FAA, but I'm pretty used to BB-8. Since Han is usually stripping focus with HSCP, isn't Poe usually shooting after him?
Yes, Poe always fires after him, but if you fly at PS10 or 9, you might fly before all them pesky Ps11 aces, not being able to strip their TL and might end up with a Harpoon missile in your face.
Just now, NLJUNGBERG said:Yes, Poe always fires after him, but if you fly at PS10 or 9, you might fly before all them pesky Ps11 aces, not being able to strip their TL and might end up with a Harpoon missile in your face.
True, but you have no bid so whether you're flying after the PS11s, even with Poe at PS11, is up to a dice roll for initiative. Have you played games, facing PS11 harpoons, where Poe is flying last?
8 minutes ago, gennataos said:True, but you have no bid so whether you're flying after the PS11s, even with Poe at PS11, is up to a dice roll for initiative. Have you played games, facing PS11 harpoons, where Poe is flying last?
Even if i dont get initiative, anyone flying after me will be shot before they shoot me, and 4 out of 7 games i blew one ship up before they even get to shoot. If Poe hadn't been PS11 he would have shoot after them.
Yes, simoultanous fire still triggered, but then they will have no Focus, even if they chose to shoot at Poe.
29 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:Han is a kiting ship so Munitions is usually a bad call on him since he’ll be turned the other way. Especially since it’s at the detriment of Engine Upgrade.
Yeah, you only take him to get PS11 and tie imperial alpha strike. It probably is a bad idea
i found you on stream @NLJUNGBERG
1 hour ago, Dreadai said:i found you on stream @NLJUNGBERG
Dont watch it, it's terrible.
And not a fair representation of the list.
Edited by NLJUNGBERG
Too late ... I mean he surprised you with a great block turn 2. I wouldn’t have expected that at all. Good job on top 8 - enjoy your dice ?
4 minutes ago, Dreadai said:Too late ... I mean he surprised you with a great block turn 2. I wouldn’t have expected that at all. Good job on top 8 - enjoy your dice ?
Had he just done a 4 straight instead of a 5 with zeta leader :/