9 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Oh, I don't want to sound like they're bad , but they aren't a silver bullet.

Like as you just noted - they allow more positions it's "okay" to be sometimes as well. And if you are bringing Poe, there's no reason not to bring black one. Just don't bring Blake one Poe because of harpoons, if you weren't already planning to use him, for example.

Sure. Generally speaking, dodging one shot, dropping on lock, and soaking one harpoon ends up being much more manageable than avoiding two shots and soaking one, for example. It lets you be more aggressive and play less perfectly in the early set up turns, which does put more of the pressure on your opponent to trap you with the Gunboats instead of putting the pressure on you to avoid as many shots as technically possible.

10 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

Sure. Generally speaking, dodging one shot, dropping on lock, and soaking one harpoon ends up being much more manageable than avoiding two shots and soaking one, for example. It lets you be more aggressive and play less perfectly in the early set up turns, which does put more of the pressure on your opponent to trap you with the Gunboats instead of putting the pressure on you to avoid as many shots as technically possible.

The hardest part is actually drawing their Quickdraw into the fight since most people just keep theirs away from the boats harpoon mission until something has gone kaboom.

Want to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Kylo is without a doubt the best character ever in Star Wars and his crew card is still super effective against pretty much everything but breach spec wookie and draw their fire.

Its time for the gunboats to end, Kylo will help us.

6 hours ago, xanderf said:

Naw, that doesn't even make sense.

I just want confusion leading to googling, followed by disappointment.

I thinks it will be easier if we all agree to call it “Paul’s gunboats”

paul was the one that invented the list after all

How about 'PanFlash'?

As it has been the source of FFGs latest cash injection ... judging by the speed those things went off the shelves 2 weeks ago, I propose it is called ...

'Frank needed a new shed'

11 hours ago, Brunas said:

3DPD

An abbreviation that I don't understand that came from Chris Allen? Yeah, not gonna google that at work.

What about calling the list Poon Nanny? The harpoons are winning the game, you're just there to babysit the list.

2 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

An abbreviation that I don't understand that came from Chris Allen? Yeah, not gonna google that at work.

Correct call.

16 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Plenty of things beat it very easily. You want quick ships or lots of defensive mods, so like Imp Aces and Time Walk Asajj just laugh at it, for example.

Ive tabled it with both and barely lost a couple of shields in the process.

@Stay On The Leader , I would be very interested in a Timewalk Asajj list for countering this. Would you be so kind as to post a complete list? I'm just learning how to fly Asajj.

Thanks.

11 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

An abbreviation that I don't understand that came from Chris Allen? Yeah, not gonna google that at work.

Why do you hate fun? Depending on where you work, it'll just make your sysadmin judge you. Probably not even a firable offense! Probably.

23 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

An abbreviation that I don't understand that came from Chris Allen? Yeah, not gonna google that at work.

I had this exact thought.

This thread is not about what i thought based on the title.

Guys, quick poon is fine

It's a list with quickdraw and harpoons. It doubles as a pun

Let's not infect it with stupidly unintuitive nicknames

If you gotta distinguish it from quickdraw with harpoons, just call it "Nu quick poon" or "nu poon, quick!"

1 hour ago, Boba Rick said:

@Stay On The Leader , I would be very interested in a Timewalk Asajj list for countering this. Would you be so kind as to post a complete list? I'm just learning how to fly Asajj.

Thanks.

I don't think you need a specific version, just all the dice mods from LW/Glitter/CM that you get on standard Time Walk.

Say Assaj rolls into range of 3 Nu Gunboats with Harpoon/LRS (because you've been dumb flying her), let's even make you super dumb and you didn't catch them with a stress for Latts Razzi. You take an Evade, pop Countermeasures to clear a lock, pop Glitterstim. They hurl the kitchen sink at you: the two Harpoons get 7 hits probably, Quickdraw gets 2, lets be charitable and say the Nu gets two hits with it's primary, so 11 hits are incoming.

You're rolling 12 green dice. With Glitterstim on all 12. With 4 possible instances of Lone Wolf. And an Evade token. You don't get Latts Razzi because you suck. You still get 9 or 10 evades, easy. You lose a shield or two, max. Now they need to break off and reload, re-target lock, turn around, and still try to be at Range 2-3 of a very very quick Shadowcaster that's stressing them each turn to fire a second shot. Meanwhile Assaj and whoever she brought along for the ride are taking potshots at you.

Time Walk Assaj should give Gunboats the Luke shoulder brush. Same for, say, the Rey version with EI/Jyn on Lowwhrick.

22 hours ago, Dosiere said:

Is this.... is this the official name for this list?

there is no such thing as an "official" name for a list.

1 hour ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I don't think you need a specific version, just all the dice mods from LW/Glitter/CM that you get on standard Time Walk.

Say Assaj rolls into range of 3 Nu Gunboats with Harpoon/LRS (because you've been dumb flying her), let's even make you super dumb and you didn't catch them with a stress for Latts Razzi. You take an Evade, pop Countermeasures to clear a lock, pop Glitterstim. They hurl the kitchen sink at you: the two Harpoons get 7 hits probably, Quickdraw gets 2, lets be charitable and say the Nu gets two hits with it's primary, so 11 hits are incoming.

You're rolling 12 green dice. With Glitterstim on all 12. With 4 possible instances of Lone Wolf. And an Evade token. You don't get Latts Razzi because you suck. You still get 9 or 10 evades, easy. You lose a shield or two, max. Now they need to break off and reload, re-target lock, turn around, and still try to be at Range 2-3 of a very very quick Shadowcaster that's stressing them each turn to fire a second shot. Meanwhile Assaj and whoever she brought along for the ride are taking potshots at you.

Time Walk Assaj should give Gunboats the Luke shoulder brush. Same for, say, the Rey version with EI/Jyn on Lowwhrick.

Hmmmmm.... What about an IG as a wingman? Its got 3 green dice and good moves.

What about one of those Sycks and something else for 30 points?

Great advice, thanks.

I like flying my Rey list against them, counter measures and Lowhricck backup. I ALWAYS go for QD first if I can. Next, bump a boat, kill the lock off the other boat, kill a boat, get back countermeasures. repeat.

I'd fly it at regionals if it were for that pissant Kylo running around murdering me.

27 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

What about one of those Sycks and something else for 30 points?

I played against the PS3 Syck and Fenn as Assaj wingmen. Fenn is good for pressuring you towards Assaj and her stress bubble by threatening the range 1 shot. The Syck was the mindlink carrier for Fenn.

2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Guys, quick poon is fine

It's a list with quickdraw and harpoons. It doubles as a pun

Let's not infect it with stupidly unintuitive nicknames

The thing is, though, while this combo does get you the catchy nickname...I'm not sure I understand Quickdraw in the list.

I mean, she's good and all, but the list really wants SOMETHING to trigger crits, and nothing in it does. And LRS shutting down target locks at closer ranges feels like it'd be a problem.

Why not put chimps on the Nu boats, and instead of Quickdraw take Vader + title + ATC (crits!) + Expertise + Thread Tracers + Chimps.

Total list comes to 99 pts. Vader moves at PS9 and on turns when the Nu boats are harpooning, he can fire the thread tracers to get them all locks on the right target. (Always the big problem with LRS - it ties each gunboat to only a single target, so that target just needs to not be in the arc of the one gunboat with a lock on it) Once Harpoons are in their targets, ATC can be used to trigger them.

1 minute ago, xanderf said:

The thing is, though, while this combo does get you the catchy nickname...I'm not sure I understand Quickdraw in the list.

I mean, she's good and all, but the list really wants SOMETHING to trigger crits, and nothing in it does. And LRS shutting down target locks at closer ranges feels like it'd be a problem.

Why not put chimps on the Nu boats, and instead of Quickdraw take Vader + title + ATC (crits!) + Expertise + Thread Tracers + Chimps.

Total list comes to 99 pts. Vader moves at PS9 and on turns when the Nu boats are harpooning, he can fire the thread tracers to get them all locks on the right target. (Always the big problem with LRS - it ties each gunboat to only a single target, so that target just needs to not be in the arc of the one gunboat with a lock on it) Once Harpoons are in their targets, ATC can be used to trigger them.

Quickdraw allows for a large amount of dice: either R1 and harpoons trigger allowing the 2nd shot, or a mean, dual-arced ship no one wants to shoot. However, Vader is a valid swap from Quickdraw. It's probably flavor to taste there (though I would probably take a different vader there).

As for chips... LRS+focus allows your ships to have a defensive focus if needed. Chips do not. If you have the full mods, it's slightly better than TL chips anyway (not enough to matter), as well.

59 minutes ago, Boba Rick said:

Hmmmmm.... What about an IG as a wingman? Its got 3 green dice and good moves.

What about one of those Sycks and something else for 30 points?

Great advice, thanks.

You really want something that isn't going to fold up if they decide not to waste time shooting at Asajj. IG is maybe a decent shout, I fancy trying this...

2 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

I don't think you need a specific version, just all the dice mods from LW/Glitter/CM that you get on standard Time Walk.

Say Assaj rolls into range of 3 Nu Gunboats with Harpoon/LRS (because you've been dumb flying her), let's even make you super dumb and you didn't catch them with a stress for Latts Razzi. You take an Evade, pop Countermeasures to clear a lock, pop Glitterstim. They hurl the kitchen sink at you: the two Harpoons get 7 hits probably, Quickdraw gets 2, lets be charitable and say the Nu gets two hits with it's primary, so 11 hits are incoming.

You're rolling 12 green dice. With Glitterstim on all 12. With 4 possible instances of Lone Wolf. And an Evade token. You don't get Latts Razzi because you suck. You still get 9 or 10 evades, easy. You lose a shield or two, max. Now they need to break off and reload, re-target lock, turn around, and still try to be at Range 2-3 of a very very quick Shadowcaster that's stressing them each turn to fire a second shot. Meanwhile Assaj and whoever she brought along for the ride are taking potshots at you.

Time Walk Assaj should give Gunboats the Luke shoulder brush. Same for, say, the Rey version with EI/Jyn on Lowwhrick.

From experience, Double Casters does quite well against Gunboats.

2 minutes ago, RunnerAZ said:

From experience, Double Casters does quite well against Gunboats.

A lot of things do. I think they're a bit of a FOTM while people adapt, then they'll be gone.

1 hour ago, Stay On The Leader said:

A lot of things do. I think they're a bit of a FOTM while people adapt, then they'll be gone.

FOTM?