With ECM and RBD on the MC80 I'd say give it Intel officer instead of Lando. IO braces and laugh as you pop everything in sight.

I loves me some Intel officer.

54 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Take Fire Lanes and Sensor Net, or take 1 VCX/1 Z-95 with Cap VIP and Mine Fields.

He’s going up against an Interceptor force... Relying on squadron superiority might not be optimal. (First list was a Biggs Jan ball that got apparently shredded.) Contested Outpost and Solar Corona are probably the way to go, to make it a dreadnought slugging match. With his SW7s, SC is effectively costing the enemy damage.

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

No LS on either one? Defiance will struggle to trigger if you're bidding for first.

I feel like Home One should be a 75, since it can take the twins to reroll 5 red dice. It also gives you a brawler to get in close with ER and LS.

Sorry, I didn't make it clear that the list wasn't finished. I have no clue how to make the list really working.
I'd appreciate it, if we can "polish" that one too.

I need to check the 80/75 list and see if I understand how it will function. Wave 7 is luckly availbale in Germany and as I had to buy two MC80s anyway, I can buy them and the 75.

2 minutes ago, Gordon Freemann said:

Sorry, I didn't make it clear that the list wasn't finished. I have no clue how to make the list really working.
I'd appreciate it, if we can "polish" that one too.

I need to check the 80/75 list and see if I understand how it will function. Wave 7 is luckly availbale in Germany and as I had to buy two MC80s anyway, I can buy them and the 75.

No worries. I thought you were going for a huge bid by not taking LS and using Toryn to reroll instead.

Just now, Undeadguy said:

No worries. I thought you were going for a huge bid by not taking LS and using Toryn to reroll instead.

Nah, I'm just clueless

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

Here is a quick 80 to 75 conversion.

Massive bid at 31, which can be dropped. I feel like Toryn should be swapped for Leia, since Toryn isn't doing much and is expensive, or add IO to the 75.

Objectives feel weak. Perhaps dropping the A-Wings and picking up 2 VCXs instead. Take Fire Lanes and Sensor Net, or take 1 VCX/1 Z-95 with Cap VIP and Mine Fields.

Faction: Rebel
Commander: Admiral Ackbar

Assault: Advanced Gunnery
Defense: Planetary Ion Cannon
Navigation: Solar Corona

MC80 Assault Cruiser (114)
• Admiral Ackbar (38)
• Lando Carissian (4)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• Reinforced Blast Doors (5)
• Leading Shots (4)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
• Home One (7)
= 185 Points

MC75 Armored Cruiser (104)
• Caitken and Shollan (6)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• External Racks (3)
• Leading Shots (4)
• XI7 Turbolasers (6)
• Aspiration (3)
= 133 Points

GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Toryn Farr (7)
• Comms Net (2)
• Bright Hope (2)
= 29 Points

Squadrons:
• 2 x A-wing Squadron (22)
= 22 Points

Total Points: 369

Ok, I didn't have time to look at the objectives at all, but what comes to my mind is that I'm not sure this will have a way to deal with the "tanking" ability of the Imperium.
The VSD alone survive 19 points of damage after using brace twice. So I need to make sure he can use his brace or at best use it once... The last fleet I had had a really good damage potential, but was thrawrted from doing full damage because of his brace.

The MC80 has 6-7 Red dice, including Ackbar and concentrate fire. The MC75 has 5-6 under the same condition.
Versus his 4-5 on the ISD and 6-7 (using DC) if I go faster then 1 he will get an additional die on the VSD. If he get's into mid-range the power shifts slightly in his favor as blues have the better average results.
6-7 red + 2 blue, 5-6 + 2 Blue versus 4-5 red + 4 blue and 3 red +3 blue (+1).

I need to be lucky enough to TL his brace. Otherwise I'm on the loosing side from the 1st exchange of fire. He has the ability to either create TL with a card, using Vader or just because he has enough blue dice.

Taking into consideration, that I have fewer fighters too that can pester me after they dispatch my 2 A-Wings...

Again, please correct me were I'm wrong.

26 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

He’s going up against an Interceptor force... Relying on squadron superiority might not be optimal. (First list was a Biggs Jan ball that got apparently shredded.) Contested Outpost and Solar Corona are probably the way to go, to make it a dreadnought slugging match. With his SW7s, SC is effectively costing the enemy damage.

3 TIEs + Valen + 3/4 Interceports (he use 3 last time to be ahead of me).
They chewed quit fast to through my X-Wings, despite having Jan and Biggs with me, at least way faster than I expected.

14 minutes ago, Gordon Freemann said:

Ok, I didn't have time to look at the objectives at all, but what comes to my mind is that I'm not sure this will have a way to deal with the "tanking" ability of the Imperium.
The VSD alone survive 19 points of damage after using brace twice. So I need to make sure he can use his brace or at best use it once... The last fleet I had had a really good damage potential, but was sprevent from doing full damage because of his brace.

The MC80 has 6-7 Red dice, including Ackbar and concentrate fire. The MC75 has 5-6 under the same condition.
Versus his 4-5 on the ISD and 6-7 (using DC) if I go faster then 1 he will get an additional die on the VSD. If he get's into mid-range the power shifts slightly in his favor as blues have the better average results.
6-7 red + 2 blue, 5-6 + 2 Blue versus 4-5 red + 4 blue and 3 red +3 blue (+1).

I need to be lucky enough to TL his brace. Otherwise I'm on the loosing side from the 1st exchange of fire. He has the ability to either create TL with a card, using Vader or just because he has enough blue dice.

Again, please correct me were I'm wrong.

It’s true he has a very slight firepower lead at medium (nowhere else though.) Don’t forget you’re running ECMs. You will get an ideal spending of the brace when you need it; he’s not running ECMs, and he won’t. Home One could guarantee this for the 75 (Intel Officer could guarantee just one spending instead.) If he has his own Intel Officer, adding Walex Blissex might be a good answer. Rerollable reds and blues do almost exactly the same average damage (one.) Two things are important: first that your ability to tank is a little better, and second that you won’t be in the narrow window of medium range for long before Aspiration gets close for External Racks. It’s not perfect, or the only answer though. Just one option with potential.

57 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

It’s true he has a very slight firepower lead at medium (nowhere else though.) Don’t forget you’re running ECMs. You will get an ideal spending of the brace when you need it; he’s not running ECMs, and he won’t. Home One could guarantee this for the 75 (Intel Officer could guarantee just one spending instead.) If he has his own Intel Officer, adding Walex Blissex might be a good answer. Rerollable reds and blues do almost exactly the same average damage (one.) Two things are important: first that your ability to tank is a little better, and second that you won’t be in the narrow window of medium range for long before Aspiration gets close for External Racks. It’s not perfect, or the only answer though. Just one option with potential.

Why won't he take a Intel officer? He used him once and after being forced to deal with my ECM on the MC30s he might do that again.
The synergies on that list are good no doubt, but I would have guess that I can, using Ackbar, match his firepower. I can, but only at the price of having fewer fighter.

With this input of all of you (changing it way more often I've given up counting) I created this list . That should match him in firepower long and mid range. Not sure about CAS or I'll take two E-Wings and keep em on the far side of my ships to support with AA fire.

1 hour ago, Gordon Freemann said:

Ok, I didn't have time to look at the objectives at all, but what comes to my mind is that I'm not sure this will have a way to deal with the "tanking" ability of the Imperium.
The VSD alone survive 19 points of damage after using brace twice. So I need to make sure he can use his brace or at best use it once... The last fleet I had had a really good damage potential, but was thrawrted from doing full damage because of his brace.

The MC80 has 6-7 Red dice, including Ackbar and concentrate fire. The MC75 has 5-6 under the same condition.
Versus his 4-5 on the ISD and 6-7 (using DC) if I go faster then 1 he will get an additional die on the VSD. If he get's into mid-range the power shifts slightly in his favor as blues have the better average results.
6-7 red + 2 blue, 5-6 + 2 Blue versus 4-5 red + 4 blue and 3 red +3 blue (+1).

I need to be lucky enough to TL his brace. Otherwise I'm on the loosing side from the 1st exchange of fire. He has the ability to either create TL with a card, using Vader or just because he has enough blue dice.

Taking into consideration, that I have fewer fighters too that can pester me after they dispatch my 2 A-Wings...

Again, please correct me were I'm wrong.

The problem with Ackbar fleets is the single powerful attack. It's extremely weak against ECM, which is why a ship can take a lot of damage. This list gets around that with the 75. Leading up to close range, Ackbar should be used since you get 5 reds with rerolls, and a free Acc from H1. The 75 has amazing arcs, so you can drive it into your opponent to set up a double arc at close range. Now you drop Ackbar, and instead roll 12 dice from both attacks. This will overload a Brace, and with XI7 you're pushing all the damage on the hull zone you've been attacking. Same concept works against the ISD. Aspiration should be used to change front shields to 6.

The MC80 should be following behind the 75, or if you take ET, it can travel parallel. Don't under estimate the power of a speed 3 MC80 with a nav command.

Following the KISS rule I made this 2 lists which can potentially work quit well against his list:

Dodonna A-Wings

Sato A-Wings

Both lists should be able to deal a good amount of damage against ships while being able to defend themself with counter, especially coupled with FC.
It's not sophisticated, but so is his list.